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post Aug 21 2006, 12:09 AM
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Valspar 55409 "Vanilla". Special plastic enamel.



Excellent choice.


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post Aug 21 2006, 08:02 AM
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Good ole Ohm's Law E=I X R E= voltage, I= current, and R= resistence. Add up all known wattage loads and divide by voltage and you get your current requirement. Then you want to service factor it by some percentage for safety and inrush current.


Hired... only you're not running welding cable in my car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Personal preference for sure. I like it because it flexible while at the same time carries current very well...welding cable, who'd of thought. My concern is upgrading the alternator and making sure the wire is upgraded also. No sense in putting a 90 amp alternator in to run 70 amps of light when the wire will only handle 50 amps. You know I have to inspect your work don't ya.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Aug 21 2006, 11:11 AM
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Watts = Volts x Amps
simple enough, BUT whats the volts: nominal volts are 12 volts for automotive, fully charged battery is 12.8 volts (if you remove the surface charge after charging up), and charging voltage should be about 13.8 to 14.0 volts. I don't know if they rate the lights wattage at 12 volts, 12.8 or 13.8, suffice to say that is the lights are rated at 60 watts @ 12 volts, then the wattage will be higher when installed. Then the actual voltage at the lights when installed in a car with zz feet of xx guage wire and a relay plus fuse; oh hell, just go measure it. Amp capacity of a wire depends on the guage, the number of strands and the length; not to mention if it is copper or not, and the quality of the copper (present Chinese copper wire is not very good, and the price of copper has at least doubled in the last while).

Anyway, my point is that such things almost have to be engineered individually. My rule of thumb is that there is little excess power available from a stock alternator, and the stock 914/4 alternator is just 50 amps ( the 411 had 55 amp alternator to run the extra gas heaters). So if you add non stock items like high power lights you may want to run dedicated wiring and both a fuse and a relay to link to the stock wiring and switch. Then you probably have to upgrade the alternator and its harness to handle the extra load.
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post Aug 24 2006, 10:02 AM
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Brian... look at the surround pics.
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post Aug 24 2006, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Aug 20 2006, 11:25 PM) *

Valspar 55409 "Vanilla". Special plastic enamel.



Excellent choice.


<=== works for Valspar. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


I had trouble googling this color or part number. It looks like Valspar owns Plasti-Kote. Was this a Plasti-Kote paint?
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post Aug 24 2006, 12:09 PM
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Brian... look at the surround pics.



Thanks to the guy in the salmon colored shirt!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Kudos to Mr Shea, Eric was kind enough to take time from his busy schedule to help me out... This place ROCKS!!!!!

Thanks Again "E"
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post Aug 24 2006, 01:17 PM
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No prob. Brian. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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I had trouble googling this color or part number. It looks like Valspar owns Plasti-Kote. Was this a Plasti-Kote paint?


It's a Valspar can. Got a Depot in your neck of the woods? Look in the paint section and look for the paint that adheres to plastic. Should be right up front.

Maybe Dan (LowGT) can weigh in... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Mar 18 2007, 04:18 PM
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Valspar 55409 "Vanilla". Special plastic enamel. <!-- QuoteEnd --></div><!-- QuoteEEnd -->


Excellent choice.


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I had trouble googling this color or part number. It looks like Valspar owns Plasti-Kote. Was this a Plasti-Kote paint?

Can anybody out there get this paint? Home Depot no longer carries it, snd though I can find it online, I can't find anyone that actually SELLS it.
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post Mar 18 2007, 04:35 PM
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You do have the battery keeping the lights lit.... Yeah the alternator isn't big enough, but the few watts it's short wont drain the battery very quickly.

Besides, how long will you be running all the lights for anyways?
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post Mar 19 2007, 03:50 AM
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QUOTE(jonwatts @ Aug 24 2006, 08:06 AM) *

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Valspar 55409 "Vanilla". Special plastic enamel. <!-- QuoteEnd --></div><!-- QuoteEEnd -->


Excellent choice.


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<!-- QuoteEnd --></div><!-- QuoteEEnd -->

I had trouble googling this color or part number. It looks like Valspar owns Plasti-Kote. Was this a Plasti-Kote paint?

Can anybody out there get this paint? Home Depot no longer carries it, snd though I can find it online, I can't find anyone that actually SELLS it.


Miners carries "fusion" spray paint for plastic. I don't know if it comes in the right color though. I used semi-gloss black on my van's grill, and it does indeed stick to plastic. Unfortunately it made the oem paint crinkle a tad. Still the best looking part of the van though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Mar 19 2007, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE(bondo @ Mar 19 2007, 02:50 AM) *

QUOTE(markb @ Mar 18 2007, 03:18 PM) *

QUOTE(jonwatts @ Aug 24 2006, 08:06 AM) *


I had trouble googling this color or part number. It looks like Valspar owns Plasti-Kote. Was this a Plasti-Kote paint?

Can anybody out there get this paint? Home Depot no longer carries it, snd though I can find it online, I can't find anyone that actually SELLS it.


Miners carries "fusion" spray paint for plastic. I don't know if it comes in the right color though. I used semi-gloss black on my van's grill, and it does indeed stick to plastic. Unfortunately it made the oem paint crinkle a tad. Still the best looking part of the van though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


I used a "Fusion" Color on mine. "Satin Dover White", it looks pretty accurate to me. BTW, my lights are Hellas. Not sure what bulbs I have though.



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post Mar 19 2007, 11:02 AM
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Thanks! I'll have to make a stop at Miners on the way to the shop this morning.
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post Mar 19 2007, 11:04 AM
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here is a cibie h4 housing to compare to that hella.
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post Mar 19 2007, 12:58 PM
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You could always install a second alternator dedicated to run just the aux lighting on the car. Put a small japanese 90 amp alt where the smog pump mounted and you are all set. Use direct feeds from the alt to the lights, and use a relay to energize the field when you want to turn the lights on. That way you don't have the load from the second alt when running during the day.
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i actually load tested the draw when all was on .... was still under 50 amps....

thus i have ran all 6 lights (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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