GGR AX #7 at Alameda, Saturday Sept. 9 Options

[DanT]

Who is in? Usual suspects?

How about Demick, Trekkor, Randal, BillP, BillD....Grant, Rob?

Lots of fun like this

[nine14cats]

Yeah, I remember the June Alameda AX. The course was very tough for me to read. And for others as well. 26 out of the 107 drivers DNF'd on their first run. 23 out of the 107 DNF'd on their second run and 9 DNF'd on their third run. That's a pretty high DNF rate if you ask me.

I just thought I was having a bad days since I DNF'd on 3 of my runs, sucked on 2 runs, put down a decent 7th run that got me 4th overall for the day, then sat out my final run with a flat tire.

Overall, that course was close to my least favorite ever at Alameda. It was just too right angle for my tastes and didn't flow at all.

It's always tough on the course designers. I know that this year, there have been more courses designed by a diverse number of people, so there probably is a learning curve. And I do know that early on, a few of the course were not wide enough in certain spots. And it's not just because of I have a wide ass 911. I like the courses that flow and allow you the opportunity to interpret and take different lines, not the courses that lead you by the nose with a sea of tightly spaced cones.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to devote to learning and designing courses (not yet anyway) so I just show up and run what's there. And I do know that people put a ton of effort into putting the AX's on, so I try not to give them too bad of a time.

I'm glad to hear the AX chairs are educating themselves on course design reviews.

That being said....I sure hope it's a 911 course this Saturday! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

Bill P.

[Randal]

Yeah, I remember the June Alameda AX. The course was very tough for me to read. And for others as well. 26 out of the 107 drivers DNF'd on their first run. 23 out of the 107 DNF'd on their second run and 9 DNF'd on their third run. That's a pretty high DNF rate if you ask me.

I just thought I was having a bad days since I DNF'd on 3 of my runs, sucked on 2 runs, put down a decent 7th run that got me 4th overall for the day, then sat out my final run with a flat tire.

Overall, that course was close to my least favorite ever at Alameda. It was just too right angle for my tastes and didn't flow at all.

It's always tough on the course designers. I know that this year, there have been more courses designed by a diverse number of people, so there probably is a learning curve. And I do know that early on, a few of the course were not wide enough in certain spots. And it's not just because of I have a wide ass 911. I like the courses that flow and allow you the opportunity to interpret and take different lines, not the courses that lead you by the nose with a sea of tightly spaced cones.

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to devote to learning and designing courses (not yet anyway) so I just show up and run what's there. And I do know that people put a ton of effort into putting the AX's on, so I try not to give them too bad of a time.

I'm glad to hear the AX chairs are educating themselves on course design reviews.

That being said....I sure hope it's a 911 course this Saturday! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

Bill P.

Sea of Cones = Dark Side Designing (DSD).

The designer is either totally not educated in course design, or simply as the English say, bloody minded. In the latter case these designers really become very annoying as they are simply trying to trick people into failure; again not an objective of good course design.

We want people to learn to drive better; this isn't about getting people to fail.

I also think changing a course during the lunch hour is grounds for the designer to be T&F'd. This gets even worse when the changes aren’t communicated to all people driving, i.e., this non-communication is really dangerous as drivers will be expecting to see one road and surprise surprise there is another. THIS IS REALLY REALLY unsafe.

[DanT]

Sea of Cones = Dark Side Designing (DSD).

The designer is either totally not educated in course design, or simply as the English say, bloody minded. In the latter case these designers really become very annoying as they are simply trying to trick people into failure; again not an objective of good course design.

We want people to learn to drive better; this isn't about getting people to fail.

I also think changing a course during the lunch hour is grounds for the designer to be T&F'd. This gets even worse when the changes aren’t communicated to all people driving, i.e., this non-communication is really dangerous as drivers will be expecting to see one road and surprise surprise there is another. THIS IS REALLY REALLY unsafe.

Not to mention it becomes 2 AXs in one day. Definitely a protestable situation....

I would not be too happy if I was only at an AX for the AM sessions and left with a nice time cushion and then found the course had been changed...yielding a simpler (read faster) course for the PM. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blowup.gif)

Once the course is changed in any way....it becomes a different course, negating all runs and times on the old course...

[Randal]

Sea of Cones = Dark Side Designing (DSD).

The designer is either totally not educated in course design, or simply as the English say, bloody minded. In the latter case these designers really become very annoying as they are simply trying to trick people into failure; again not an objective of good course design.

We want people to learn to drive better; this isn't about getting people to fail.

I also think changing a course during the lunch hour is grounds for the designer to be T&F'd. This gets even worse when the changes aren’t communicated to all people driving, i.e., this non-communication is really dangerous as drivers will be expecting to see one road and surprise surprise there is another. THIS IS REALLY REALLY unsafe.

Not to mention it becomes 2 AXs in one day. Definitely a protestable situation....

I would not be too happy if I was only at an AX for the AM sessions and left with a nice time cushion and then found the course had been changed...yielding a simpler (read faster) course for the PM. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blowup.gif)

Once the course is changed in any way....it becomes a different course, negating all runs and times on the old course...

Right.