Anything handle better than A 914?, Senior project my son is working on Options

[ptravnic]

All you have to do is paint the 914 yellow and it instantly becomes faster and handles better...

[IronHillRestorations]

The "new 914" handles pretty well. I know it's common policy around these parts to bash new cars, especially Porsches with water cooling, but the Boxster is a great handling car just like the 914.

[Howard]

reality check:
a stock 914 on stock size and style of tires, without sway bars or any 911 parts bolted on, does not handle that well. I know it's fun to pretend they do, but in fact they will drag their door handles in a corner if you are fortunate enough ot get the stock skinny tires to actually grab.

There are LOTS of cars out there that handle better than a stock (unmodified with 911 parts) 914.

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I love these cars, but...
Assuming you have swaybars, good shocks (73 2.0) and modern tires the 914 is an amazing antique. They don't make many under 2000# cars anymore, so I think that feeling is what he's talking about. But you don't want to meet up with a prepared Focus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

With enough $$, you can take a 914 and turn it into a 997 killer, but then it's no more a 914 than those NASCAR thingies are Luminas.

[anthony]

I think it would be interesting to see how a typically upgraded 914 (19mm front sway bar, 140 pound rear springs, and Konis or Bilsteins) would stack up against an Elise, Boxster, and an S2000. All cars would have the same brand/type tires.

[nebreitling]

the 914 would come in last on a typical road course. at AX, it would fair better (mid-pack?). however, invest $2500 in parts into each of those models, and the 914 would respond better than the others.

[dekman]

Granted I have improved suspension/brakes/tires(not raceset-up) and a 3.0L engine, but when I take my 36 y/o old car on track and pass several boxster S's and then spend 5 laps dogging a track prepped cayman noting frustration on his face(in his mirror)when he realizes he can't loose me....a very large smile comes on my face! One of the pleasures of owning a 914! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Howard]

Granted I have improved suspension/brakes/tires(not raceset-up) and a 3.0L engine,

And speaking of NASCAR 914's. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
C'mon Rob, you've got more $$ in your suspension, tires and brakes than a 914/6 cost new. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[jimtab]

Granted I have improved suspension/brakes/tires(not raceset-up) and a 3.0L engine, but when I take my 36 y/o old car on track and pass several boxster S's and then spend 5 laps dogging a track prepped cayman noting frustration on his face(in his mirror)when he realizes he can't loose me....a very large smile comes on my face! One of the pleasures of owning a 914! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Deckman...thanks for posting this pic...my car in it's "Brazilia special" livery...ah, those were the days..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) By the way, anyone who has ever been in a "ypical 914" knows that the jackstands make them ride like they're on .....rails?

[dekman]

And your point is? We live in today's world Howard.... My total car /restoration/engine/trans/suspension/brakes/etc. costs are still "less than" the cost of a plain Boxster! And less than half the cost of a Cayman S! Bring it on HowardMAN!!! By the way...where's your "SIX"??? Maybe I need to take you for another "RIDE"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dancinnanner.gif)

[dekman]

Jim, nice to hear from you! Hope to see you at the "Napa WCC 2007". I've heard a rumor we may get onto Sears point Raceway to run our cars!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

[porschecb]

You guys are making my point. (I think) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

[JPB]

From what I've heard, there is alot of skill involved in winning a race also. Even if its a straight line and beastly HPs, still have to have the balls to push it.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) With Jake at the helm, even a four might take some races soon! The only hurt one gets in a 914 is when they see you pull up in one and ridicule. Then you have the joy of putting them in their place and laughing last!

[Howard]

And your point is? We live in today's world Howard.... My total car /restoration/engine/trans/suspension/brakes/etc. costs are still "less than" the cost of a plain Boxster! And less than half the cost of a Cayman S! Bring it on HowardMAN!!! By the way...where's your "SIX"??? Maybe I need to take you for another "RIDE"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dancinnanner.gif)

You're right, of course, I'm just jealous (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

And after a little checking, one car magazine tests all their cars at Willow 'Streets' with the bowl. Their benchmark is the Cayman S @ 1:39. Steve Killian runs C improved POC with a 2.0/4. A full street car, he drives it to the track. Improved is tires/shocks/suspension/brakes, but all must fit in standard body, so no flares and no real engine mods.

His best time is 1:37. I'd bet you'd do 1:34. Damn these cars ARE fast!

[dekman]

Don't be jealous (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) ....just " BID"! The yellow car is cool!!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

[ottox914]

In that car comparo with the 914-6, few mention the back-story. The 914 was bolted togather, and run as a fun street car. It had never been corner balanced, and had an average joe driver. Who knows what the allignment was set at. Some of the other cars had hired guns, such as steve or Rhys millen, (I think) doing the driving. And, the -6 had its clutch go away 1/2 way thru the testing. They did a clutch replacement, on site, without removing engine or trans! Just separated then enough to do it braille method, so I question if in the testing prior to the blown clutch, if all the HP was getting to the ground.

Not making loser excuses, but for a "daily driver" go go up against a prepaired and tweeked auto-x winning 3rd gen RX-7, and a tube frame VW "beetle", and finish as it did without similar attention to detail in the assembly and prep of the car, I don't think thats half bad. Heck, the RX-7 only did 1 road course lap because it was about to grenade the motor due to the heat. Trailer racer? I would love to see a re-match... all on the same tires, same drivers, with a days worth of "tune up" allowed for each car to get the chassis set up to its best potential, and maybe a 5 lap average of the road course. I expect a 914 with a motor tweeked to the point of 1 lap and blown motor would put out more than the stock motor in the test car as well...

Back on topic, as much as I love my 914, as head instructor for our club, I have mooched the following cars this season while getting the SDS EFI up and running: Lotus 7 replica, (2.0 zetec, 150 hp or so), stock package Elise, '04 Boxster S. Love them all for different reasons. The 7 is brutal, with avon slicks. Wear a face shield. And warm cloths in the fall or early mornings. The Elise was a beast when on the cam, and impressive below. Light and quick, its the most 914ish, in being all weather, yet elemental when you want it to be with the top off. The Boxster S was larger, heavier, smoother, and still crazy fast. The grip, brakes, and torque were all perfectly matched. I was fastest in the 7, no suprize there, but had exact matching times in the Elise and S, down to the 10th of a second. All this at the spring novice school, on the same track, same day, with just a couple laps in each. Who knows which would be faster over a season, with more chances to learn the car.

[Joe Ricard]

Ran against the Lotus ELise His was stock on Advans, and Mine is well a hopped up 2.0L Type IV. lots of suspension and Hoosier R3S04. With my hot shoe buddy driving the 914. Elsie Smoked my ass