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post Oct 13 2006, 10:29 AM
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I disagree. The stock fuel injection system works fine for a stock engine. The problem is when you want to go for more power because the stock system isn't programmable.

We already have EFI replacements - there are lots to choose from. The most popular are Megasquirt and SDS. Jake even sells an SDS configured system that is a drop in replacement for your D-jet.

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post Oct 13 2006, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(Matt Meyer @ Oct 13 2006, 08:45 AM) *

To actually answer your question it looks like a 2165 would be a 94x78 so a stroked 2.0 liter. I haven't heard of one before. It should have good torque. Why not go to a 2176 with a 78.4 stroke? I assume you are going to try and save $$$ by reusing the 94mm p&c.

Mostly you hear of 2056 and 2270 which are 96 bore and 71mm (stock2.0) or 78.4 stroke respectively.

You can find different combinations you could make here: Type IV Engine Displacement Bore vs. Stroke


yep you gain an extra ~90CC by upping the pistons to 96's (AND you get waaay more options in piston land inthe 96mm variety) with a 78.4 stroke.....
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post Oct 13 2006, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(rtalich @ Oct 12 2006, 06:55 PM) *

So far I've seen/heard/read about the 2056 and 2270 type 4 motors. What about the 2165? What bore/stroke combo would this be?

Are you looking for a motor for an under 2.2 class?

If so, go with what Matt said, 2176cc

If not, just go with whatever your budget will allow, a 2056 and a 2270 are the most popular and most tested combos. Check out the 2056 engine for $5000 thread on the products forum.
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post Oct 13 2006, 11:06 AM
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Anthony,

You are so correct our F.I. system is ok for a stock motor. I should have added I want a new programable F.I. system to work with my modified motor. I want a plug & play reasonable $$ system replacement. Until I am satisified with the current systems, I'll wait. I just want to pay the money without the hassel.

I like my 4-cyl motor, I just want a better F.I. system to handle improvements. A motor is a motor we just need a better F.I. system (plug & play for the novice).

Tom
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post Oct 13 2006, 11:08 AM
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Thank you all for the info!! Very helpful.... Is it correct to say that if you were to install a stroked crank then you also need to replace the stock rods? If thats the case then it would make sense to use the 96mm pistons. Therefore, its very clear why you just don't see anything in between the 2056 and 2270. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
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post Oct 13 2006, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(Matt Meyer @ Oct 13 2006, 08:45 AM) *

To actually answer your question it looks like a 2165 would be a 94x78 so a stroked 2.0 liter. I haven't heard of one before.


I was building this combo until I had to sell the motor, the idea behind using the 94mm bore was not for money savings considering I had 94mm Nickies (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
The reason was that I had freshly rebuilt 2.0 heads and that normally one goes with larger valves with a 2270, so by keeping the smaller bore, the intake/exhaust ports would be a better match to the smaller bore.


It should have good torque. Why not go to a 2176 with a 78.4 stroke? I assume you are going to try and save $$$ by reusing the 94mm p&c.

Mostly you hear of 2056 and 2270 which are 96 bore and 71mm (stock2.0) or 78.4 stroke respectively.

I totally agree with you hear, not many people except for freaks like myself and Rich build up motors based on the 1.8 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

You can find different combinations you could make here: Type IV Engine Displacement Bore vs. Stroke
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post Oct 13 2006, 11:32 AM
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QUOTE(Thomas J Bliznik @ Oct 13 2006, 10:06 AM) *

Anthony,

You are so correct our F.I. system is ok for a stock motor. I should have added I want a new programable F.I. system to work with my modified motor. I want a plug & play reasonable $$ system replacement. Until I am satisified with the current systems, I'll wait. I just want to pay the money without the hassel.

I like my 4-cyl motor, I just want a better F.I. system to handle improvements. A motor is a motor we just need a better F.I. system (plug & play for the novice).

Tom


if you just bolt it on.... and drive away.... you dont learn anything
PEFI is a wonderful thing, and can teach you a lot..

im saving for an ITB / FI hotrod induction system... why? because it will make more power and teach me in the process.
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post Oct 13 2006, 12:02 PM
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Aaron,

Good info & advise.
I did a Google search on F.I. systems & it's a big place. How about someone making a list of available F.I. Systems to review with web sites for us novice 914er's??

Thanks,

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post Oct 13 2006, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Oct 12 2006, 09:01 PM) *

In the future... We'll all have SIXES


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post Oct 13 2006, 06:04 PM
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Thomas, Jake seels an SDS based system that is as close to a bolt on for an existing D-Jet setup as you can get.

http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/store/p...=320&page=1

Still, it's $1500 bucks so it's not cheap. A set up Webers though with everything costs around $1200 so at least one is still in the same ballpark. The only way to do this on a budget is with Megasquirt which requires a lot of sweat equity.
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post Oct 13 2006, 11:49 PM
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my new project is 78x104 nickasils it should be interesting to see the results.

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post Oct 14 2006, 08:18 AM
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my new project is 78x104 nickasils it should be interesting to see the results.

Bernie



thats kinda small ain't it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 14 2006, 09:12 AM
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I think it is possible to get dependable 170-300Hps for under 5k and one month of pittering during the weekends and be done with it.

:beer1:Not talking 6 here.
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QUOTE(JPB @ Oct 14 2006, 08:12 AM) *

I think it is possible to get dependable 170-300Hps for under 5k and one month of pittering during the weekends and be done with it.

:beer1:Not talking 6 here.



what??
your going to get 300hp out of a type IV for under 5K and its reliable?
I'd like to see this.
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post Oct 14 2006, 10:41 AM
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me too.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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Sorry not T4 but 4 and not 6 and didn't mention 8 since 4 8 6 and 8.LOL

:beer1:Ahhh, keeping beer money a priority also.
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like we talked about rob. 2.0 or 2056 or 2270 or carbs or d-jet or aftermarket fi. your call. decide before you start ordering components.

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No Way!

Let him stock up on a bunch of mis-matched mis-configured parts so later we can swoop in like vultures to buy it up at a 75% discount!!!

I can hardly wait.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)


I love those kind of deals.

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post Oct 14 2006, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Oct 14 2006, 10:47 AM) *

No Way!

Let him stock up on a bunch of mis-matched mis-configured parts so later we can swoop in like vultures to buy it up at a 75% discount!!!

I can hardly wait.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)


I love those kind of deals.

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pissoff.gif) I'm not talking about mixing and matching parts here.... Just simply trying to figure out why theres no mention of a type 4 motor in between the 2056 and 2270. When in theory it can be done with specific components.
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like the 2165 or whatever the "Powerstroke" is?

914 is pretty light so "if" you are going to stroke it, go as large as possible.

The 2056 is sooo easy to do its foolproof that the factory "should have" built the 914 2.0L with this 110hp version and "kicked ass" in sales.

2270 is harder and above that get alot harder.
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