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| SirAndy |
 Oct 26 2006, 12:58 PM
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Resident German  Group: Admin Posts: 42,227 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California  |
QUOTE(dakotaewing @ Oct 26 2006, 09:37 AM)  Require full disclosure of name, address and phone # as well in order to be a registered user... uhm, are you volunteering to check up on the 2-5 new members we get EVERY DAY ??? besides the fact that i don't like the idea in general, i certainly don't have the spare time to follow up with 6000+ people to make sure they are who they claim they are ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Andy |
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| rmconner |
Oct 26 2006, 12:59 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 11 Joined: 19-October 06 From: Arlington, VA Member No.: 7,061 |
QUOTE(Matt Meyer @ Oct 26 2006, 02:07 PM) Guests...... If this thread moves one or several of you to register, please post your thoughts here. It would be totally appropiate. Up until a few days ago, I was one of those GUESTS. I assure you I am not here to exploit anyone! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I registered so I could use the Search function, and ultimately join the community. I agree that I may have felt a bit turned off to registration if I had felt scrutinized or had to fill out a ton of forms. That's just one opinion, and may not be representative of anyone else! In any case, this is great forum and resource of information. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Oct 26 2006, 01:02 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,227 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Matt Meyer @ Oct 26 2006, 10:33 AM) No one has ever been able to scam a member through the club without registering. that is excatly my point .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Andy |
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| nomore9one4 |
Oct 26 2006, 01:06 PM
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Member of the Eastcoast Thread Killers Club Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Pittsburgh,Pa.15237 Member No.: 14 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(rmconner @ Oct 26 2006, 10:59 AM) QUOTE(Matt Meyer @ Oct 26 2006, 02:07 PM) Guests...... If this thread moves one or several of you to register, please post your thoughts here. It would be totally appropiate. Up until a few days ago, I was one of those GUESTS. I assure you I am not here to exploit anyone! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I registered so I could use the Search function, and ultimately join the community. I agree that I may have felt a bit turned off to registration if I had felt scrutinized or had to fill out a ton of forms. That's just one opinion, and may not be representative of anyone else! In any case, this is great forum and resource of information. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) New huh? Let me see your papers! (with my best German accent) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
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| TonyAKAVW |
Oct 26 2006, 01:10 PM
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That's my ride. Group: Members Posts: 2,151 Joined: 17-January 03 From: Redondo Beach, CA Member No.: 166 Region Association: None |
QUOTE uhm, are you volunteering to check up on the 2-5 new members we get EVERY DAY ??? besides the fact that i don't like the idea in general, i certainly don't have the spare time to follow up with 6000+ people to make sure they are who they claim they are ... Thats the real problem here. Security costs money or time. But if you make the verification procedure a distributed system, it wouldn't be so bad. For instance, at one of Joe's BBQs, if one person was verified, that person could then verify the identities of 30 people at the BBQ by checking a driver's license, writing down the person's address, phone number etc. and then submitting it to the verification server, etc. So it wouldn't need to be one person's responsibility. Security works best when its everyone's responsibility. Granted not everyone goes to Joe's BBQs, and there are other ways identity could be checked etc. And not everyone needs to be verified really. 6000 people don't all need verification. Participating in the 914club doesn't require that you be trusted by everyone. However its a big added benefit to be able to trust someone you are selling something to or buying from. -Tony |
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| highways |
Oct 26 2006, 01:21 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 613 Joined: 18-June 05 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 4,296 |
ANSCHLAG!! PAPERS PLEASE!!! SHO ME YOUR PAPERS!!
No seriously, I'm against registering. What's with all this spook stuff? NSA got your phone line? Hajabs give you the heebee jeebees? 914 owner wannabes gonna carry your car away right off the jack stands? Sheesh... kooky. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) Personally I really admire the european traditions of free and open information. Like Switzerland- even though they have the patten offices- they don't have patten laws in their country. They innovate by sharing information- it sparks creativity. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_wirdgut.gif) This whole debate reminds me of a video this Swedish guy (or Dutch?) made. I can't find the link right now. But basically he was doing a complete resto on an old Nissan Z. He filmed his whole process with cool point of view camera techniques, time lapse photography and set the film to an awsome musical soundtrack. It was one of the most informative internet films I've ever seen- taught me how to do my restoration. And all throughout you can see his shop, the car, the tools he has, how he uses them, name of the business, ect. He DID NOT require registration to view this helpful info. And he has not gotten 'ripped off' by someone U-hauling his shop away. If I had to register to see his films, I would never have seen them. Thank you Swedish guy for openly sharing with me your restoration skills- it's saving my teeners life. |
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| Crazyhippy |
Oct 26 2006, 01:25 PM
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Insert witty comment here... Group: Members Posts: 1,659 Joined: 28-July 05 From: Home of the Coyotes, AZ Member No.: 4,493 Region Association: None |
If someone is intent on scamming the people of this club... they will, there is no way to stop them.
The no guests, verified only thing only works so well... personal passwords WILL get compromised (seems to be an active topic right now) and all the verification in the world goes out the window. Had that password been an Admins, even more trouble would have (theoretically) occured. Buying and selling there is a risk. There always is. BJH |
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| highways |
Oct 26 2006, 01:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 613 Joined: 18-June 05 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 4,296 |
QUOTE(TonyAKAVW @ Oct 26 2006, 12:10 PM) But if you make the verification procedure a distributed system, it wouldn't be so bad. For instance, at one of Joe's BBQs, if one person was verified, that person could then verify the identities of 30 people at the BBQ by checking a driver's license, writing down the person's address, phone number etc. and then submitting it to the verification server, etc. Security works best when its everyone's responsibility. -Tony Wowsers, neighborhood watch guy huh? Neighbors spying on neighbors. Yeah, that's gone over really well in the past 100 years of history. Well, I guess it works for CHINA. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/jerkit.gif) |
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| TonyAKAVW |
Oct 26 2006, 01:34 PM
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That's my ride. Group: Members Posts: 2,151 Joined: 17-January 03 From: Redondo Beach, CA Member No.: 166 Region Association: None |
QUOTE ANSCHLAG!! PAPERS PLEASE!!! SHO ME YOUR PAPERS!! I'm not saying that the whole site needs to be a lockdown area, but that an added verification of identity would allow people buying and selling things to choose who to sell or buy with. QUOTE If someone is intent on scamming the people of this club... they will, there is no way to stop them. Absolutely. Like anything, you can only reduce risk. But there are some measures which could really reduce risk, and not interfere with the open nature of this board. Thats why keeping the board open, but having an added level of verification would be a good solution. Password policy can be changed to reduce risk. Most places who care about security require password changes routinely and have specific passowrd lengths, require numbers or other characters, random stuff only, etc. Then there are more extreme ways such as those keyfob devices that give you a new passcode number every hour or whatever. -Tony |
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| MartyYeoman |
Oct 26 2006, 01:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,535 Joined: 19-June 03 From: San Ramon, CA Member No.: 839 Region Association: Northern California 
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QUOTE(Demick @ Oct 26 2006, 10:23 AM) I don't like it. I think it would turn a lot of potential members off. I know what whenever I go to a site that requires me to become a member before even looking around, I just leave instead. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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| highways |
Oct 26 2006, 01:39 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 613 Joined: 18-June 05 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 4,296 |
Take reponsibility for your own risk, not mine please. Aluminum foil hats are cheap these days- but don't make me wear one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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| ptravnic |
Oct 26 2006, 01:42 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,231 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 747 Region Association: None
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ADMINS: Please, on behalf of all that is good in the world:
PLEASE DO NOT REQUIRE PERIODIC PASSWORD CHANGES!!! |
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| GWN7 |
Oct 26 2006, 01:43 PM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
QUOTE(highways @ Oct 26 2006, 11:39 AM) Take reponsibility for your own risk, not mine please. Aluminum foil hats are cheap these days- but don't make me wear one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) Miles knows where to get those at a cheap price (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
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| jones |
Oct 26 2006, 02:09 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 126 Joined: 4-March 04 From: Seattle Member No.: 1,751 |
Police yourself!!! Be carefull what you do when on the magic box.
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| nomore9one4 |
Oct 26 2006, 02:21 PM
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Member of the Eastcoast Thread Killers Club Group: Members Posts: 2,666 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Pittsburgh,Pa.15237 Member No.: 14 Region Association: None |
If I understand correctly Guests can not view the "Sandbox" Could the same thing be done for the Classifieds? I do not care one way or the other, but it would add alittle bit of "personal security" Now wheres that pat myself on the back smilie (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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| pete-stevers |
Oct 26 2006, 02:25 PM
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saved from fire! Group: Members Posts: 2,648 Joined: 10-October 04 From: Abbotsford,BC, Canada Member No.: 2,914 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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for the sake of the club and growing its membership.....restrictions would have a negetive impact....
as far as rip off artists..they are every where if i want to sell a part i bring the part to the veggie store..and have the prospective buyer meet me there... but i never invite unkown people to the shop.... taking precations in all aspects, maybe the best way but preventing access may not be the best method or saftey measures for the sake of this club..errr non-club.... limiting purchases and exchange of info to known members is my preference ultimately i rely on "trust" built through experience and furthermore believe that invatation to lurk....is a positive further building interest in these cars, and that is the reason for this club..... please don't close the door to potential new members through required membership..... |
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| TINCAN914 |
Oct 26 2006, 02:34 PM
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Summer's Commin... Group: Members Posts: 2,440 Joined: 18-August 05 From: Colorado Springs, CO. Member No.: 4,611 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Leave it as it is.
I feel for Eric, Craig, and Carl as well as anyone here that has been taken. It sucks this place is great, and making information regarding this sickness we are all a part of would really turn others off. Before I purchase or sell anything to anyone here, I have two simple rules. They must have been a member here a minimum of a year, and I like to see 100+ posts. This gives me some what of an idea of how much they are here. ANyone selling parts or cars, with 4-5 posts, I am very careful with. I know there are a great deal of honest people here, but you got to watch yourself. To many assholes that take advantage of good people in the world... |
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| G e o r g e |
Oct 26 2006, 02:52 PM
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Dr Group: Members Posts: 1,905 Joined: 20-September 05 From: Southern Cal Member No.: 4,832 Region Association: None
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why all the talk about 6000 members
i just took a random sample of thirty members with a 0 post count from the 647 pages of members only 1 of the thirty shows any sign of recent activity most have not been here for a year or 2, and had not signed back in since there initial membership now it is possible these members are our some of our guest... but what harm can come from Tony's idea of adding a verified symbol for those who want to use this as a " measure of security"? i really believe the number of verifications for actual lurking and post whore members is not anywhere close to even 1500. if it was by accident the most users on line would be much greater than 277 |
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| 914nerd |
Oct 26 2006, 02:56 PM
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Who you callin' a "Member"? Group: Members Posts: 416 Joined: 18-July 06 From: Los Alamos, NM Member No.: 6,461 |
Speaking as someone who is relatively new to this forum and to the 914 world in general, I think that if people are going to jump in, they might as well do it
I bought a 914, joined this forum, and starting asking questions and listening I think that the open forum does allow people who are not members possibly learn some things about 914s, but that isn't the only way I joined before much of any snooping and have been woking to integrate since I joined I think that this club is a valuable resource and I think it is great that people can be trusting and interact so well I have learned tons of things since I have joined here and, in all, this seems like a great bunch of people That said, that trust has been violated Is that reason to lock the site down? No Is it reason to hunt the bastard down and make him pay for what he has done? Absolutely (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) Ok, rant over |
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| topatrout914 |
Oct 26 2006, 02:58 PM
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Trout Group: Members Posts: 64 Joined: 13-October 06 From: Thomasville, NC Member No.: 7,034 Region Association: South East States |
As a recent member I can say that I lurked for off and on for quite a while. I had owned 2 Teeners in the past and this site gave me the bug again. I finally found a good car and bought it and then registered for this site so I could "participate". This site is THE BEST 914 RESOURCE available in my opinon because of all of the members and their years of ownership and experiece. Just for reference I don't like having to register to just view something, why waste the time?
As always.... Buyer Beware!!!! The scammers will allways make themselves know, but unfotunately at others expense. My $.02 |
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