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| SirAndy |
  Nov 9 2006, 09:07 PM
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Resident German  Group: Admin Posts: 42,257 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California  |
so, i went to mcmark's shop today to work on my car. mostly prep work for the engine test-fit.
lots of cutting sheetmetal and grinding down spotwelds etc. then on to cutting out the /4 motor mounts with the plasma cutter. i *thought* i had it all covered, safety wise, got the goggles, gloves, noise protection ... spent about 5 hours cutting & grinding. then, on my drive home, it felt like i had a sunburn on my arms, but i couldn't really see anything. so after i got home, i take a shower and now i can clearly see that both of my forearms are *covered* with thousands(!) of tiny burn marks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) should have worn something with long sleeves, damm 914club t-shirt ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Andy |
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| URY914 |
Nov 10 2006, 09:05 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 127,402 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Andyrew @ Nov 10 2006, 06:46 AM)  Paul.. Those masks acutally are nice.. used one for about 2 months (for hours daily..) without any fail.. Actually it was TOO sensitive.. any little light and it would darken on you.. How in the world do you know that piece of crap is protecting your eyes? It can be burrning a hole in your retnias and you don't know it until you go to the doctor for your yearly eye exam and he sees it. There are ANSI or ECE specs that all helmets must meet. Good helmets cost good money for a reason. Sorry, I'm not taking the chance. |
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| ClayPerrine |
Nov 10 2006, 12:22 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 16,441 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille 
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Even with the proper equipment, you need to be careful.......
Years ago I was installing sway bars on Betty's 914 when a red hot piece of metal landed right on the crotch of my jeans. I didn't know it, and it proceeded to burn through the jeans, through my underwear, and put a nasty second degree burn on a very "sensitive" part of my anatomy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pinch.gif) From experience, it is impossible to bandage that part of the male anatomy, and it hurt like hell for weeks until it healed. And before anyone asks.... I DO NOT HAVE ANY PICTURES and I will not show you the scar! I got out there after treating the burn and finished the sway bar install. The welds are still there after close to 20 years. |
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| LvSteveH |
Nov 10 2006, 12:26 PM
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I put the Poor in Porsche Group: Members Posts: 1,080 Joined: 22-April 03 From: Las Vegas, Nevada Member No.: 600 |
QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Nov 10 2006, 10:22 AM) The welds are still there after close to 20 years. So is the scar (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) |
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| ClayPerrine |
Nov 10 2006, 12:35 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 16,441 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille
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QUOTE(LvSteveH @ Nov 10 2006, 12:26 PM) QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Nov 10 2006, 10:22 AM) The welds are still there after close to 20 years. So is the scar (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) And the wife too.... |
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| SirAndy |
Nov 10 2006, 12:35 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 42,257 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(LvSteveH @ Nov 10 2006, 10:26 AM) QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Nov 10 2006, 10:22 AM) The welds are still there after close to 20 years. So is the scar (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) and i bet the memory of that event has been burnt into your brain for the rest of your life as well ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) Andy |
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| John |
Nov 10 2006, 12:46 PM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
QUOTE How in the world do you know that piece of crap is protecting your eyes? It can be burrning a hole in your retnias and you don't know it until you go to the doctor for your yearly eye exam and he sees it. There are ANSI or ECE specs that all helmets must meet. Good helmets cost good money for a reason. Sorry, I'm not taking the chance. My thoughts exactly. I tried one of the "auto darkening" helmets (an expensive one at that) about a week ago. (Had to do some welding on a jobsite and that is what was available to me.) I couldn't get used to it. I kept flipping the hood up and flipping it back down prior to striking the arc. Anyway, I didn't get any flash (welded for probably 6 hours). I still can't bring myself to buying one of those things. 20 years ago, I burned my eyes and had to drive myself to the eye doctor for eyedrops. (The early morning sun really hurt the eyes). After I healed from that, I went and bought a new helmet with a large (4x5) gold lens (shade 11) and have been using it without issue ever since. I can't stand getting anything in or near my eyes to this day (which is why I don't wear contact lenses). Like the saying goes, if you have a $10 head, then buy a $10 helmet. |
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| jd74914 |
Nov 10 2006, 02:30 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,852 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
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Niether my Dad nor I like the autodarkening helmets. We don't feel that they react quickly enough to adaquately protect your eyes. I would rather flip down a hood and know that my eyes are perfectly safe than rely on a battery powered "machine" to do it for me. |
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| Brett W |
Nov 10 2006, 03:01 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,859 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None
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I agree I am not a big fan of autodarkening helmets either. If you block the light sensors you will get flashed anyways. Can't stand that. I like my manual helmet, flip it down and there is no flash.
If I am tacking something I use a gloved hand to shield my eyes, just put it between the gun and my eyes. Works great and fast. |
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| andys |
Nov 10 2006, 03:33 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,165 Joined: 21-May 03 From: Valencia, CA Member No.: 721 Region Association: None
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What's interesting to me, is how little safety is practiced on some of the hot rod/chopper shows when it comes to welding (and other general saftey precautions). I believe it sends a really bad message to those starting out. Every watch Paul jr on Am. Chopper? I'd fire his ass in a heartbeat; really lousey safety practices. On the other hand, Jesse Combs (a young female welder/fabricator for those that don't know) on Extreme 4X4 (I think) always wears the approprite safety gear; at least so far. I've had a 'V' neck burn that discolored and damaged my skin some 20 years ago. Yup, shirt was not buttoned all the way up. Only recently did a dermatologist give me a potion that seems to be getting rid of it quite nicely.
I've managed tool and die, and prototype machine shops for many years. It always amazes me when I see experienced machinists stick their face close to a milling cutter without eye protection. Seems obvious, but you'd be surprised with how often it happens. Andys |
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| sgomes |
Nov 10 2006, 04:29 PM
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Electric Member Group: Members Posts: 815 Joined: 6-May 04 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 2,029 |
Actually those self darkening helmets are ALWAYS protecting your eyes. The base glass blocks the harmful (read - sunburning) UV rays. The auto darkening is only blocking the super bright (but not damaging) visible spectrum. Yes if it didn't work you would get flash blindness. It's the same as that spot you see in front of your eyes from a flash. That is just saturation and is not damaging.
By the way, that said, UV damage to your retinas is CUMULATIVE. It's NOT the same as getting a sunburn on your skin. The damage EVEN SMALL EXPOSURES adds up over time. I design UV lasers for a living. We've been extensively trained on this subject. Sometimes the hard way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Our training quote is: "Don't look directly at the laser with your remaining good eye." |
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| SLITS |
Nov 10 2006, 05:57 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
3 days with eyes covered (after a hospital visit) in a Louisana Motel after welding with a buzz box and the wrong goggles --- very painful experience.
Have you ever tried eating pancakes by Braille? Very sticky |
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| URY914 |
Nov 10 2006, 06:26 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 127,402 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(sgomes @ Nov 10 2006, 02:29 PM) By the way, that said, UV damage to your retinas is CUMULATIVE. It's NOT the same as getting a sunburn on your skin. The damage EVEN SMALL EXPOSURES adds up over time. I design UV lasers for a living. We've been extensively trained on this subject. Sometimes the hard way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Our training quote is: "Don't look directly at the laser with your remaining good eye." That's the thing about bad helmets. You don't realize your eyes are being damaged. When you burn your skin you see it, feel it and it grows back (sometimes). With eye damage you don't SEE it coming. Get it...SEE it coming. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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| PORobinSCHE |
Nov 10 2006, 11:18 PM
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i wear my safety glasses most of the time when working. but that's because at my age i need a little help. the glasses have +1.50 readers on the bottom! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| AvalonFal |
Nov 11 2006, 12:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 485 Joined: 3-July 05 From: Southern New Jersey Coast Member No.: 4,367 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
And don't forget a mask/respirator, too. Cutting thru rust, metal, paint, years of crud and dirt without breathing protection can do a job on your sinuses and lungs. Who knows what's in that stuff after 30+ years?? I wear a mask/respirator until I'm sure the area I'm working on is clean.
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