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Mike T
post Nov 16 2006, 03:44 PM
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The course is so geometric. All square corners. Is that the usual style for California Autocross courses? The Northeastern style is curvier and uses less cones.

Every time a California driver designed a course for Nationals it was that style. Never saw gates so wide.

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post Nov 17 2006, 10:59 AM
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That was Sacremento Valley region. They set things up a tad different. Randal and others have been pushing a "system" that follows the SCCA rules for building courses. It is tough when you have so many "Porsche" people (mostly business people) who all want it done "their way" or you have somebody coming through behind your setup making changes as they walk...(kicking cones)

I think I have driven all different styles.. didnt really bother me. I have a hard time with the "small road course" style. I like more technical than high speed. I leave the high speed for the track were we have trained rescue people.



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post Nov 17 2006, 11:13 AM
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I think the cone-lined road courses are sorta silly. A/x courses should have "gates" that you pass thru. I don't even line lay down pointer cones.
The layout should have a flow to it and shouldn't have cones to trick you.
But everyone has thier way of doing thinks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif)
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post Nov 17 2006, 12:23 PM
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Heres the bottom line (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

It was Nov. 11th and they are out AutoX'ing..LOL

I'm happy to have "anything" at this point.

Course layout is the least of my concerns! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/alfred.gif)



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post Nov 17 2006, 12:26 PM
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My favorite course/venue of all time was from Reno/Stead three years ago.

They called it a "street" course. No section was ever narrower than you would find in a residential neighborhood.

And it had this three cone slalom on a 1200' straight. the fast guys were approaching 100mph (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Why don't we run there anymore?


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post Nov 17 2006, 12:30 PM
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There were several clubbers there that day, too.

Randal, Bill, Brad, Andy, Birgit, Jason, Steve and me. Some others, I'm sure.


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post Nov 17 2006, 12:41 PM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 17 2006, 10:26 AM) *

My favorite course/venue of all time was from Reno/Stead three years ago.

They called it a "street" course. No section was ever narrower than you would find in a residential neighborhood.

And it had this three cone slalom on a 1200' straight. the fast guys were approaching 100mph (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Why don't we run there anymore?













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Pat Costin ran the event. After Pat finished his tenure as President of the P club in Reno, no one would step up to run the event. In fact I don’t think the club is running any Autoxes; although they might be cooperating with the SCCA on a few. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

If there was enough interest, we might be able to talk Pat into running it again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Stead has to be one of the world's best Autox venues.
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post Nov 17 2006, 01:22 PM
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Why dont you contact Fred from SVR and have him warm it up?? Fred was at Sears running his black 996 last weekend (parked next to Trekkor)


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Reno '04 a/x

I'll mention this to Frederick at TH on Dec. 10th

I wonder how many Bay Area/ Nor Cal drivers would be willing to go to Stead for a two day Zone event?


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QUOTE(trekkor @ Nov 17 2006, 11:37 AM) *

Reno '04 a/x

I'll mention this to Frederick at TH on Dec. 10th

I wonder how many Bay Area/ Nor Cal drivers would be willing to go to Stead for a two day Zone event?


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Not just the Bay Area people, but there were always lots of SVR people that came up.

Everybody likes Reno on Saturday night.
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Ha ha.. I recall the Gay Rodeo!!


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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 17 2006, 11:53 AM) *

Ha ha.. I recall the Gay Rodeo!!


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That was a trip!
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Another Weekender event at Reno would be great! Although you will need to speak with Matt Deter who is the Comp Director for SVR since he took over from Fredrick.

I enjoyed the last event at Stead - and yes going through a slalom in 4th gear was... exhilirating, but the 90 degree turn at the end was what really grabbed my attention - (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Autocross designs... I have been autocrossing since 1980, always in NorCal so seeing angular corners has been around that long... they are tricks and are intended to seperate those who know how to technically drive vs those that just follow cones from corner to corner or gate to gate. There are times (like our last event in Stockton) where we had a simple lay-out that at first blush looked easy but in reality there were subtleties that sperated the real fast from the fast.

I agree with Brad... we are just plain silly happy to still be autocrossing (or DE-ing with great weather) in mid November - woo hoo! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

I'll run what ever they lay-out, whether they have boxy corners or round corners... course completely lined with cones or mostly gates, etc... It is supposed to be a challenge and as 'new' as possible with each event. I only dislike overly fussy/busy, counter intuitive, non-flowing courses.

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post Nov 29 2006, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Nov 17 2006, 08:59 AM) *

That was Sacremento Valley region. They set things up a tad different. Randal and others have been pushing a "system" that follows the SCCA rules for building courses. It is tough when you have so many "Porsche" people (mostly business people) who all want it done "their way" or you have somebody coming through behind your setup making changes as they walk...(kicking cones)

I think I have driven all different styles.. didnt really bother me. I have a hard time with the "small road course" style. I like more technical than high speed. I leave the high speed for the track were we have trained rescue people.



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First off we do not like SCCA rules. Yes are a Tad different. Lines are not the course but a lot of drivers think they are. As steve has said the course was technical and very safe at the speed we could get up to.

Course was fun for the space we had. Plus drove the Boxster this time and got to learn it. Still prefer the 914.

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post Nov 29 2006, 05:24 PM
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First off we do not like SCCA rules.



Not their rules.. per se.. just use their course design guidelines (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) They follow one book. I'm not a huge SCCA fan, but they do turn out some awesome drivers.

Hi Mike!

We will have to get you into a prepared Boxster with a real alignment!



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First off we do not like SCCA rules.



. just use their course design guidelines (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Hi Mike!

We will have to get you into a prepared Boxster with a real alignment!



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WE use our designs as we normally have lots of beginner drivers and at least the lines help them follow the course.
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