PCA GGR Point System, Time to start figuring out how to fine tune it Options

[DanT]

The other problem with the current system is that points are awarded for wheel widths but not tire widths.

So you can run 205s on 5.5s, 6s, 7s ...so you have the same tire patch +or- a .25 inch but you can get nailed for what 100 points because of wheel width.

They are giving points for the wrong thing....for me points would be awarded for tire width.

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[ConeDodger]

The other problem with the current system is that points are awarded for wheel widths but not tire widths.

So you can run 205s on 5.5s, 6s, 7s ...so you have the same tire patch +or- a .25 inch but you can get nailed for what 100 points because of wheel width.

They are giving points for the wrong thing....for me points would be awarded for tire width.

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Dan,
Just a comment on the wheel width vs tire point thing. I don't disagree but I had an interesting experience this last year. I ran an event in the Bumblebee 6 at Charles Schultz. My best tires were on 2 liter Fuchs so I switched out of the Revolutions that are on the Bumblebee. I might as well have been skating on a pond for the traction I could produce. Weeks later I put the Revolutions back on and ran one of our events at Stockton. Very good grip. Even with worn out Victoracers I had better grip with the 7 inch wheel than with newish Yokohama AO32Rs on 5.5.
Perhaps the sidewalls are working better on the 7 inch wheels?
I still have to decide what to do with those wheels. Only one potential buyer is insisting that the second set of wheels stay with the car. Weren't you one of the guys who wanted them?

[DanT]

The other problem with the current system is that points are awarded for wheel widths but not tire widths.

So you can run 205s on 5.5s, 6s, 7s ...so you have the same tire patch +or- a .25 inch but you can get nailed for what 100 points because of wheel width.

They are giving points for the wrong thing....for me points would be awarded for tire width.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Dan,
Just a comment on the wheel width vs tire point thing. I don't disagree but I had an interesting experience this last year. I ran an event in the Bumblebee 6 at Charles Schultz. My best tires were on 2 liter Fuchs so I switched out of the Revolutions that are on the Bumblebee. I might as well have been skating on a pond for the traction I could produce. Weeks later I put the Revolutions back on and ran one of our events at Stockton. Very good grip. Even with worn out Victoracers I had better grip with the 7 inch wheel than with newish Yokohama AO32Rs on 5.5.
Perhaps the sidewalls are working better on the 7 inch wheels?
I still have to decide what to do with those wheels. Only one potential buyer is insisting that the second set of wheels stay with the car. Weren't you one of the guys who wanted them?

I agree with your assesment about the wheel widths....it would be more interesting to have the same tire on each type wheel and use them at the same event. That would yield some interesting data.

We have also been having a discussion over on the GGR board about tire compounds (wear ratings) having more granularities in the points assignments.
>100=steet tires, no points
<100 but > 40, 60 points RA1s, Victoracers, Pilot sport cups, Yoko A048
<40 110 points Hoosiers, 710s, Avons
full race slicks 150points

Or at least something along those lines...


As far as wheels....I am looking for 5.5 4 bolt Fuchs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[ConeDodger]

The other problem with the current system is that points are awarded for wheel widths but not tire widths.

So you can run 205s on 5.5s, 6s, 7s ...so you have the same tire patch +or- a .25 inch but you can get nailed for what 100 points because of wheel width.

They are giving points for the wrong thing....for me points would be awarded for tire width.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Dan,
Just a comment on the wheel width vs tire point thing. I don't disagree but I had an interesting experience this last year. I ran an event in the Bumblebee 6 at Charles Schultz. My best tires were on 2 liter Fuchs so I switched out of the Revolutions that are on the Bumblebee. I might as well have been skating on a pond for the traction I could produce. Weeks later I put the Revolutions back on and ran one of our events at Stockton. Very good grip. Even with worn out Victoracers I had better grip with the 7 inch wheel than with newish Yokohama AO32Rs on 5.5.
Perhaps the sidewalls are working better on the 7 inch wheels?
I still have to decide what to do with those wheels. Only one potential buyer is insisting that the second set of wheels stay with the car. Weren't you one of the guys who wanted them?

I agree with your assesment about the wheel widths....it would be more interesting to have the same tire on each type wheel and use them at the same event. That would yield some interesting data.

We have also been having a discussion over on the GGR board about tire compounds (wear ratings) having more granularities in the points assignments.
>100=steet tires, no points
<100 but > 40, 60 points RA1s, Victoracers, Pilot sport cups, Yoko A048
<40 110 points Hoosiers, 710s, Avons
full race slicks 150points

Or at least something along those lines...


As far as wheels....I am looking for 5.5 4 bolt Fuchs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Isn't that what you have on your car? I have 10 or 11 2.0 liter Fuchs.
The best 5 will be going to Harvey W. in a few weeks. The rest are available.

[DanT]

Rob,
can you send me pics of the next best 4 please? How much would you want for 4?
Yes, I have Fuchs now but I am also planning on having a second set...
One with Victors or RA1s and one with V710s

How much does he charge for a full polish?

Thanks

Dan

Merry Christmas

[Chris Pincetich]

Merry Christmas! I just got a SA2005 open faced helmet and a Martini Racing polo shirt I can wear to work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

This week in OR with my family I did the GGR mods sheet for my car 5-6 times to see what I could manage and stay in either AX12 or maybe AX13. The 5.5 in wheels vs. 6.5 in wheels is a pretty big deal....and I noticed that after I did this imaginary mod, the system updated it on the "TT" tab of points but NOT the "AX" tab of points. I ended up with 6 emails from GGR and the wrong real tire widths for TT. Which leads to my question

Can the system handle different wheels of different widths (and tires) for running in either TT or AX?

Maybe I just never noticed something about the system that told me which type of racing I was modding for. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Also, do PCA GGR, RR, and all other Zone 7 groups do their own points and mods systems? Is there any kind of points race in RR or overall Zone 7?
OT: I like the green! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[DanT]

Merry Christmas! I just got a SA2005 open faced helmet and a Martini Racing polo shirt I can wear to work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)

This week in OR with my family I did the GGR mods sheet for my car 5-6 times to see what I could manage and stay in either AX12 or maybe AX13. The 5.5 in wheels vs. 6.5 in wheels is a pretty big deal....and I noticed that after I did this imaginary mod, the system updated it on the "TT" tab of points but NOT the "AX" tab of points. I ended up with 6 emails from GGR and the wrong real tire widths for TT. Which leads to my question

Can the system handle different wheels of different widths (and tires) for running in either TT or AX?

No you would need to enter your car for each tire/wheel combination.



Maybe I just never noticed something about the system that told me which type of racing I was modding for. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Also, do PCA GGR, RR, and all other Zone 7 groups do their own points and mods systems? Is there any kind of points race in RR or overall Zone 7?
OT: I like the green! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

All regions within Zone 7 use GGR rules,,at least up until 2006. Each region then has its own series with points and year end awards. There is a zone 7 series and year end awards and there are PAX systems for each as well.[color=#3333FF]

[ConeDodger]

Rob,
can you send me pics of the next best 4 please? How much would you want for 4?
Yes, I have Fuchs now but I am also planning on having a second set...
One with Victors or RA1s and one with V710s

How much does he charge for a full polish?

Thanks

Dan

Merry Christmas

Dan,

If I wanted just a full polish on a set of "track wheels" I would use Al Reed in the LA area. Harvey is more expensive. I am having a set done for the occasional concours event as I have been winning these when I enter. I am not a concours guy but apparently I have stumbled in to a good example of 2.0 liter 914 and the weenies like it.
I have about $75 each in the "extra" wheels if your interested. I got a lot of six off evil bay. Not looking to make money on these. I will shoot some pics of the runts in the litter soon...
Rob

[DanT]

Thanks Rob.

I will be waiting for the pics when you get the time. I am in no hurry. sounds good.

I may just take them to wheel techniques here in town...they did some wheels for my Carrera a few years ago.
they came out real nice or I will do them myself again...I did the ones that are currently on my car and they turned out pretty nice for about 4 hours work.