 Restoration of a near concours 914, We'll watch the progress |
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
  Dec 2 2006, 12:20 PM
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Advanced Member  Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727  |
from this (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) to.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Dec 2 2006, 12:28 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
O.E.M., latent, weight saving measures......reduces body mass without the hassle of "adding lightness" (i.e. drilling lightning holes)
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| Pat Garvey |
Dec 2 2006, 08:02 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
Pseudo resto threads have been done on the Garage forum a bunch of times, but they are just that. Don't mean to denegrate those guys, but a lime green 7?/914, with a six conversion and a pristine restoration isn't what THIS forum ios about.
We are fortunate to have a forum member who has saved his money for a proper restoration from a Porsche dealership in Cleveland. I, for one, would like to see the progress during the next 5-6 months. Anyone else interested? Or, should I just keep this between friends? Let me know, because I won't beg for this again - I'll keep all the info to myself! Just kidding. |
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| smontanaro |
Dec 2 2006, 10:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 3-June 05 From: Evanston, IL Member No.: 4,197 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I'd be interested.
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| 914werke |
Dec 2 2006, 11:31 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,041 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest 
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Whos to say that a dealer and a BOAT load of money make a "proper"
restoration. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Its this kind of arogant BS attitude that makes those interested in preservation and restoration to "Concours" targets for derision (Ala CW!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spank.gif) |
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| 914werke |
Dec 2 2006, 11:48 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,041 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Wow was there any outward indication of the sail panel rust?
Is that why its being stripped? |
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| 914runnow |
Dec 3 2006, 12:44 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 19-April 04 From: Modesto California Member No.: 1,948 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Dec 2 2006, 07:02 PM)  Pseudo resto threads have been done on the Garage forum a bunch of times, but they are just that. Don't mean to denegrate those guys, but a lime green 7?/914, with a six conversion and a pristine restoration isn't what THIS forum ios about. We are fortunate to have a forum member who has saved his money for a proper restoration from a Porsche dealership in Cleveland. I, for one, would like to see the progress during the next 5-6 months. Anyone else interested? Or, should I just keep this between friends? Let me know, because I won't beg for this again - I'll keep all the info to myself! Just kidding. Ditto From The Rockies!!!!!! Although..Re the parts to go on the car.... When Stoddard's tells yah that the 914 re parts is about toast with Porsche..and over 30% of the parts are NLA.. (actually in my 12 year journey, seems more like 65%).. That is not a warm Fuzzy to attain proper replacement parts .. And the dealer might not have the knowledge nor the time to attain the 'Correct' parts... I have over 800 hours in securing parts for my 73..and well over 250 hours in research for those specfic parts.. Just the other day on ebay ..I Finally scored an NLA new brake fluid resevoir.. That has been a 5 year journey!!! Next off...... The dealers PET is whacked in many areas.. I go round n round with Stoddards all the time on their parts numbers.. DO NOT get me wrong..I Love Stoddards.... Also is the dealer willing to invest that time to do the above.. Add to that the repainting/replating/powdercoating of odd parts that are NLA.. Add to that many of the Porsche Parts that will come in with 'Bin Rash' on them... I guess this is mute as re above if the car is primo to begin with.. But the degree of resto is up to the owner..... If they intend on a nut n bolt bumper to bumper resto such as mine.. (That Is Still Not Done after 9 years).. Plan on hair loss and grey to magically appear... And many 'Bumps' along the way.... But Pat...YES would love pics and an update here and there.... I am in much anticipation on this one!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) |
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| Pat Garvey |
Dec 3 2006, 01:05 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(rdauenhauer @ Dec 3 2006, 02:31 AM) Whos to say that a dealer and a BOAT load of money make a "proper" restoration. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Its this kind of arogant BS attitude that makes those interested in preservation and restoration to "Concours" targets for derision (Ala CW!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spank.gif) EASY now...... I'll clarify what I meant re: proper restoration. Not all of us are talented enough, or have abilities to restore our own cars. We may not have the time or talent. Some, like the owner of the 914 under resto (and myself), are not as young & flexible as we once were. In other words, some of us are incapable of performing our own proper resto. The desire is there, but 60 year old bodies tell us to be practical. Also, in this case, the lack of local shops with 914 knowledge is a major limitation. If you love the car and it's in need of immediate attention, and you're not capable of doing it yourself (and work 60 hr weeks), you have to have help. Letting a local guy who knows little about 914's weld a new pan in for a mere $5000 (actual quote) would not only be stupid, but risky. I wouldn't go to a Chiropractor if I needed a root canal, and since I can't do my own root canal I'd go to a specialist. The guy saved his money in order to get another 33 years out of his 914. He could have easily bought a nicely restored 914 for his investment, but it wouldn't have been "his" 914. And "his" 914 would have wound up as parts on Ebay. I would hardly call this an "arrogant BS attitude"! And, if it makes us "targets for derision" SO WHAT! After 30+ years of it, we've learned to like being called CW's. |
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| Pat Garvey |
Dec 3 2006, 01:31 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
This is the 914 to be restored. Since EVERY nut & bolt will not be replaced, nor the perfect interior, you could also call it a radical refurbishment. The attached pic is the car prior to being submitted to the shop. If you're a regular to this forum, you've seen numerous pics of it in the various nailed areas.
Same owner for 33 years. Driven regularly. Looks great, but is hiding some problems in the pan & other areas. So, it will receive everything it needs to make the body as it was originally. All areas of the body will be adressed and corrected where needed. Motor & trans out to be resealed & tin restored, but that's probably all it will need. Hell hole will also be addressed, but it's really not that bad. Pics will be sent regularly by the restorer. The most pertinent will be posted here, and as the work progresses. Work began 10 days ago. Attached image(s) 
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| watsonrx13 |
Dec 3 2006, 03:18 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,734 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Plant City, FL Member No.: 312 Region Association: South East States |
Pat, to answer your original question, YES, I would be very interested....
When you discuss and/or show the restoration process, please be very specific on the details, i.e., this bolt/nut was plated.... the replacement piece was provided by ... Looking forward to the steps... -- Rob |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Dec 3 2006, 07:01 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,716 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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I'm interested and definately would like to see how the big guys do it.
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| URY914 |
Dec 3 2006, 07:12 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,389 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
I wouldn't think a dealer would be the place I'd take my car for a nut and bolt resto.
Depends on the dealer I suppose, but I'll be watching. |
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| Pat Garvey |
Dec 3 2006, 08:08 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(URY914 @ Dec 3 2006, 10:12 PM) I wouldn't think a dealer would be the place I'd take my car for a nut and bolt resto. Depends on the dealer I suppose, but I'll be watching. Ah, but there are still a couple of the old timer dealerships you can trust. And some you should walk away from! I still trust Stoddard because Chuck still plays a semi-active part, though he's in his 80's. Where I live these days....thought I could have faith in H_lb_t Porsche in Pa. Wrong! They couldn't even properly repair a VW of mine. DO NOT got there, even if it is an icon. The work is crap, as well as the parts they use. Can't speak for Brumos, or the other classic dealers. But, there are a very few who seem to have dedicated themselves to pleasing the collector. Oops, there I go setting myself up again for flames! Whatever! BTW, this is not a nut & bolt resto. It is, as I said earlier, a radical refurbishment. This car does not need interior work, needs little motor work (seals). The owner will drive it as he always has. It will NOT be available for sale. Just want another 33 years of enjoyment out of it, at which time he will be 93! Having fun here! |
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| URY914 |
Dec 3 2006, 08:34 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,389 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
I would also think there are places that would do this for less $$$ than a dealer. We're not talking about a 917 here. I don't see the need to pay $125/hr in labor to change seals in VW engine. Where is the added value? When it is completed will you be able to look at the car and say, "Wow this is a great job he must have taken it to a dealer"?
OK, I'm done. I don't think I'm going to change anyone mind about this. No more comments from me. Peace out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Dec 4 2006, 01:13 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
1970 914/4, #4702903114, built 01/70, chassis #0319 595, color code L11E
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Dec 4 2006, 01:26 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
What's lying 'neath the shiny paint, aluminum trim and carpeting......
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Dec 4 2006, 01:54 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
QUOTE(rdauenhauer @ Dec 2 2006, 09:48 PM) Wow was there any outward indication of the sail panel rust? Is that why its being stripped? rdauenhauer, The sail panel(rollbar area) looked perfect. There appeared to be no degradation in that area. Back in '79, a minor refurbishment to that area was undertaken because of some obvious rust blistering under the vinyl on both sides. It is apparant that after 25+ years, the blight of rust can re-appear, at least here in the midwest.Since 1980, this car hadn't seen winterized (read salted) roads, but 10 previous years of winter salt and a trip through the surf (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) at Daytona Beach in '75 surely helped degrade the steel on this car. There are dozens of photos of this car as this repair is undertaken, but I don't feel it necessary to post all of them. All the little detail pics can be fodder for some specific threads as they might appear, for the present, I'll try to provide the "macro" view. Thanks for your interest. |
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| Porsche Rescue |
Dec 4 2006, 07:19 PM
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Saving and Enjoying Old Porsches Group: Members Posts: 2,978 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Bend, Oregon Member No.: 64 Region Association: None |
Proof again, there is no "rust free" 914. Some just have more than others. Keep the pics coming as the work proceeds. And thanks.
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| Pat Garvey |
Dec 4 2006, 07:56 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(URY914 @ Dec 3 2006, 11:34 PM) I would also think there are places that would do this for less $$$ than a dealer. We're not talking about a 917 here. I don't see the need to pay $125/hr in labor to change seals in VW engine. Where is the added value? When it is completed will you be able to look at the car and say, "Wow this is a great job he must have taken it to a dealer"? OK, I'm done. I don't think I'm going to change anyone mind about this. No more comments from me. Peace out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) I hear what you're saying. But, I also know this owner. He's worked 60 hr weeks since I met him in the 70's, and has not time to learn to do it himself. Oh, he can tinker & shine on the weekends (when he isn't working), but that's pretty much his limitation. He, like I, is also just a tad under 60. The ole back doesn't have the fexibility that it once had. Hell, I'm struggling just to get my fuel tank emptied right now. I can get down, but getting back up ain't easy. Agree with you about any engine work that this car may need. Plenty of good guys out there who can handle this kind of work. But, it requires trailering everything to another place. We're all diffferent in how we approach this thing. Important part is to keep another VIN from the junkyard. |
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Dec 5 2006, 09:29 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
Everybody's nightmare..."holy hell, wadda hole" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shocked[1].gif)
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