Phase II of the 914-6 race car transition starts today Options

[brant]

I was factoring the price of the full motor and also the full tranny (with diff) when I came up with the 17K figure.

tranny's can add up fast. I bought higher priced gears and have some really unique machine work in mine, but it was 6K by itself.

you can add more if you want a trick clutch or frills.

my figure also included your seat and upgrades plus the twin plug is going to run you a penny or two for ignition bits.

seems that you and I have had this same debate before.
and the way I remember it you were estimating 4-6K the first time around.
I was estimating 10-12K for your phase 1.

who was closer?
brant

[914forme]

Apparently you don't read the suspension set-up comentaries that go on here.
It's quite easy to keep the inside rear from unloading.....it may not fit your suspension philosopy, nor that of others here, but that's life.

I have fixed my suspension setup, and I have choosen another way to fix the wheel lift just incase it should happen again, ZF Limited slip. I am not one to do things half way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

BTW, I have setup several track cars and for Road Racing PCA J stock, I never saw the issue. But auto-x it seems to make a huge difference! And if Grant is going to auto-x and want to be compitive he will need a way to put the power to the ground.

[Brad Roberts]

Whoa.. buy a used 3.0 and have it freshened instead of a high winding small 6??

It is hard to beat torque..


B

[grantsfo]

Whoa.. buy a used 3.0 and have it freshened instead of a high winding small 6??

It is hard to beat torque..


B

Youre right if I was being practical I'd go that route. Trekkor and others have all recommended that I go for a 3.0 or 3.2. However I like high winding small displacement motors - its a nostalgia thing, with no rational thought behind it. By the time I found a 3.0 and refreshed it I would likely be in similar price range if not more. This will be a fun little car with a motor built to last a couple seasons. I'll be ready to do something else along lines real fast car in a couple years with a 3.6 or 3.8 so I'll get my chance for torque later.

This car wont be as brutal as a fast 3.0 or higher displacement motor, but it will have ton of character. The car should still prove to be fairly quick due to its weight. Even with 165 hp it was wickedly fun for me. I just cant imagine it with 65 more HP and short ratio gearing! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

Oh and I bit the bullet. I'm shopping for an LSD now.

[914forme]

Oh and I bit the bullet. I'm shopping for an LSD now.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) That is easy Guard, Paul can hook you up. ~1800 not installed. The Quafe can be had for $1295, but my money is on the Guard or ZF. My ZF will be here tomorrow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) I am stoked

[Brad Roberts]

Yep. Tell Paul we want Boxster gearsets when you call him.

Then I need to talk to him about advertising with us (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



B

[grantsfo]

Yep. Tell Paul we want Boxster gearsets when you call him.

Then I need to talk to him about advertising with us (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)



B

Sorry, I have no idea who Paul is? Perhaps a good reason to be a banner ad vendor.

[Brad Roberts]

Sorry..

Paul Guard (Guard Transmission)

He is in NorCal now. He sells the ZF "style" LSD's and has been in litigation for 8 years over his "Quaife" style torque biasing LSD.

Good guy. Know's his late model Porsche stuff.. his customers are primarily race teams and the such.


B

[brant]

Oh and I bit the bullet. I'm shopping for an LSD now.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) That is easy Guard, Paul can hook you up. ~1800 not installed. The Quafe can be had for $1295, but my money is on the Guard or ZF. My ZF will be here tomorrow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) I am stoked

Stephen,

there is some proof that a TB diff can actually be superior to a ZF diff on mid engined, low and mid HP cars..

and I believe the $1800 quote is with installation.
both styes of differentials are basically the same cost to install

brant

[J P Stein]

there is some proof that a TB diff can actually be superior to a ZF diff on mid engined, low and mid HP cars..

brant

Now, now, Brant......
I urge all AXers to go with the ZF style diff....the more locking the better....
as you should be doing with all your w2w competitors.

[914forme]

there is some proof that a TB diff can actually be superior to a ZF diff on mid engined, low and mid HP cars..

brant

Now, now, Brant......
I urge all AXers to go with the ZF style diff....the more locking the better....
as you should be doing with all your w2w competitors.

It is all about the combo! Each piece goes to make a whole. I guarantee that the ZF is a better choice for my combo. YMMV! I don't follow everybody's left brain thinking. And I likes it that way. I can come up with some pretty creative solutions and that is what I get paid to do. The TB only works if it has torque to reference (both wheels on the ground). With out it; it acts like an open diff. I have setup several PCA J class racers, in my time. With all the drivers I have put on the track, I never had a lift and spin issue. They were all very smooth drivers as am I. But Only when these cars get onto the auto-x have I seen this problem, and have see experienced them first hand.

BTW, I know how TBs work, I have one in my Jetta, and I like it. But the only time the front tires on a Jetta would come unloaded in a turn is if you hit a serious bump at speed. And my Jetta makes way more torque than your sixers. But I am down on the HP mark quite a bit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)