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> The Decel Valve Hose Diagram for the 2.0L Djet is Wrong, It doesn't work unless it's hooked up differently
pbanders
post Jan 20 2007, 05:50 PM
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I made some postings before the "great split" about the decel valve where I asked questions on how it worked. I figured it out, and now I understand why I was confused.

If you look at the hose diagram Dave Darling made for the 2.0L, and I also believe it's the same way in Jeff Bowlsby's diagram, they show the "side" port to the decel valve connected to manifold vacuum, and the larger "end" port connected to the air box. George Hussey of Automobile Atlanta posted a diagram in a thread on the '74 hose configuration that showed it connected oppositely. Which one is right?

Turns out George's diagram is correct. As I complained in the earlier thread, I couldn't see how the valve worked when hooked up the way Dave and Jeff's diagrams showed. Not their fault - it's shown that way in the Factory Workshop Manual (see the FI manual, page 0.1-1/3, page 0.1-2/1) and all the other references I've seen. The problem is that if you pull the same manifold vacuum on both the side port (which is on one side of the internal diaphragm) and the skinny end port (which is on the other side of the internal diaphragm), there's no pressure differential to open the valve.

It didn't occur to me that the majority of diagrams might be wrong until I saw George's diagram. Now it makes sense - the valve works to limit vacuum if connected so that the large end port is on manifold vacuum and the side port is connected to the air box. Why? Because in this configuration, only the control side of the diaphragm is initially connected to vacuum (actually, it's slightly different from that - a very small area on the other side of the diaphragm is under vacuum where the valve seat for the large end port is located). Once the vacuum is high enough to overcome the internal spring resistance, the valve opens and the intake manifold vacuum is limited.

I tested three different decel valves on the bench, two used 914 valves, and a NOS valve I picked up on Ebay for a Volvo D-Jet application. I used a universal plastic tee connector to connect my hand vacuum pump to both the control port and either the large end or side ports of the valves. In each case, if I connected vacuum to both the control port and the side port (same vacuum across both sides of the diaphragm), the valve never opened up to 25 inHg of vacuum. If I connected the vacuum to both the control port and the end port (vacuum differential across the diaphragm), then at an onset vacuum, the valve opened, and I could not pump to a higher vacuum level - the vacuum was limited, as the valve is supposed to do.

Both of my 914 decel valves had been "adjusted", so I had no idea of what the correct onset vacuum should be. I recently had my motor rebuilt and did some manifold vacuum level testing. Fully warmed up, at idle, I am running about 10 to 12 inHg of manifold vacuum. If I rev the motor to 3500 rpm and snap the throttle shut, I see a maximum of about 22 inHg of manifold vacuum. The decel valve for the Volvo still has the factory paint mark on it and hadn't been tampered with. Measurements on that valve showed an onset of about 15 inHg. Seemed like a good number, so I adjusted my valve to that level and reinstalled it.

Now, when I test it as shown in the Factory Workshop Manual, where you open the throttle to 3500 rpm and snap it shut, you can feel it pull vacuum when the valve opens. I haven't had time to drive it around much since then (working on other problems), but as soon as I do, I'll report on any issues. I may increase the onset vacuum to 18 inHg, as when my motor is cold, it develops about 15 inHg at idle, about the same as the decel valve, and I don't want it to act as a leak.
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pbanders   The Decel Valve Hose Diagram for the 2.0L Djet is Wrong   Jan 20 2007, 05:50 PM
Mid_Engine_914   And that, sir, is why you’re the king of D-Jet.   Jan 20 2007, 06:02 PM
roadster fan   And that, sir, is why you’re the king of D-Jet....   Apr 3 2008, 01:45 AM
reverie   [QUOTE] George Hussey of Automobile Atlanta posted...   Jan 20 2007, 06:12 PM
computers4kids   Hmm!   Jan 20 2007, 06:17 PM
StratPlayer   This should be posted in the classic thread   Jan 21 2007, 01:48 PM
bperry   Why not put a direct link to the diagram in the ...   Jan 21 2007, 09:07 PM
orange914   Why not put a direct link to the diagram in the ...   Apr 2 2008, 05:55 PM
type4org   With the decel valve connected the wrong way, what...   Jan 22 2007, 03:30 AM
pbanders   With the decel valve connected the wrong way, wha...   Jan 22 2007, 09:51 AM
type4org   When the decel valve doesn't work, your intak...   Jan 22 2007, 09:56 AM
Jeff Bowlsby   So I get back from vacation to find this Brad... :...   Jan 24 2007, 11:47 PM
pbanders   So I get back from vacation to find this Brad... ...   Jan 25 2007, 09:49 AM
John   I've been reading this thread and I have a que...   Jan 25 2007, 02:11 PM
pbanders   I've been reading this thread and I have a qu...   Jan 25 2007, 04:15 PM
sean_v8_914   this is a highjack I would like to publicly thank...   Jan 25 2007, 03:07 PM
pbanders   this is a highjack I would like to publicly than...   Jan 25 2007, 04:17 PM
pbanders   Short update: I have a branched vacuum elbow in my...   Jan 25 2007, 07:21 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Kudos Dr. Anders. :) Well I studied those decel ...   Jan 25 2007, 08:34 PM
pbanders   Kudos Dr. Anders. :) Well I studied those decel...   Jan 26 2007, 10:59 AM
John   Ummm, because nobody ever checked? It seems to ...   Jan 25 2007, 09:09 PM
Dave_Darling   Did all the D-Jet setups (on other vehicles/makes...   Jan 25 2007, 11:23 PM
pbanders   Ummm, because nobody ever checked? Even thoug...   Jan 26 2007, 08:37 AM
type47   Another name for the decel valve is "vacuum...   Jan 26 2007, 01:03 PM
Bleyseng   around 15hg at idle on a stockish motor IIRC   Jan 25 2007, 11:09 PM
John   Then it would make sense to have the decel valve...   Jan 25 2007, 11:20 PM
RustyWa   I wrote this info down long ago, but the decelerat...   Jan 25 2007, 11:56 PM
pbanders   Jeff, after reading your comment about the "n...   Jan 26 2007, 11:54 AM
John   There must also be a mechanism to prevent flow in ...   Jan 26 2007, 12:26 PM
pbanders   There must also be a mechanism to prevent flow in...   Jan 26 2007, 12:54 PM
rhodyguy   jeff, when you say the rate was 10-15% slower, do ...   Jan 26 2007, 04:22 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Yes. The decel rate is noticeable but very subtle...   Jan 26 2007, 04:27 PM
rhodyguy   i'm wondering if this might help with the pesk...   Jan 26 2007, 04:45 PM
pbanders   i'm wondering if this might help with the pes...   Jan 26 2007, 06:08 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   No I don't think so. I drove it again today d...   Jan 26 2007, 05:01 PM
pbanders   OK, here's what I think the guts of this thing...   Jan 26 2007, 05:54 PM
arvcube   OK, here's what I think the guts of this thin...   Apr 2 2008, 09:07 PM
John   I like the diagram, but I still don't see anyt...   Jan 26 2007, 11:28 PM
pbanders   I like the diagram, but I still don't see any...   Jan 27 2007, 08:43 AM
Bleyseng   My testing of a decel valve shows that it opens at...   Jan 27 2007, 10:01 AM
pbanders   My testing of a decel valve shows that it opens a...   Jan 27 2007, 12:19 PM
Bleyseng   Yeah, I am sending it to you along with the MPS...   Jan 27 2007, 01:25 PM
John   I'll buy that.   Jan 27 2007, 06:44 PM
McMark   It doesn't lean out the mixture as much as you...   Apr 2 2008, 10:42 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   I wonder if disabling the deceleration valve wou...   Apr 2 2008, 11:40 PM
arvcube   It doesn't lean out the mixture as much as yo...   Apr 2 2008, 11:42 PM


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