 Production number confusion, need some numbers to argue with Porsche |
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914/4: 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 914/6: 70 71 72
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| type4org |
 Jan 22 2007, 02:12 AM
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You need PLAID!  Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 13-June 06 From: Oldenburg (Oldb), Germany Member No.: 6,212  |
So I have contacted Porsche about the odd number of cars they claim were produced for the 1976 model year (14100) and got an email response today. The guy sent me a little spreadsheet that lists the production numbers they use when putting together COAs. None of these numbers jive with the few resources I have seen, with the worst offender being the 1976 model year:
1970 13312 1971 16231 1972 21580 1973 27660 1974 21379 1975 11369 1976 14100 Question to the experts: What production numbers do you know about and what is the source for them? With a little luck and given good sources I may even get them to reconsider their figures. |
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| type4org |
Jan 22 2007, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(type4org @ Jan 22 2007, 03:12 AM)  1970 13312 1971 16231 1972 21580 1973 27660 1974 21379 1975 11369 1976 14100 After a bit of back and forth with the guy at the department handling the COAs he did realize the 1976 model year is off and he's sending a new one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The other years' number are actually taken straight from the range of VIN numbers assigned that year. Not sure why, but the numbers Andy put together on this page... http://www.914world.com/specs/productionnumbers.php ...are not the same if you add up 914/4 numbers. |
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| davep |
Jan 22 2007, 04:39 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,137 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
That link is to Andy's calendar year production, not the model year production which is here:
http://www.914world.com/specs/chasnrs.php Even so, the numbers for 1974, 1975, and 1976 are not the same. We know 1976 should be 4100. I have seen different numbers before also. |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 22 2007, 05:12 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,607 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
my data came mostly straight out of "Das Grosse VW-Porsche Buch" (see my avatar) ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy |
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| type4org |
Jan 22 2007, 05:15 PM
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You need PLAID! Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 13-June 06 From: Oldenburg (Oldb), Germany Member No.: 6,212 |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 22 2007, 06:12 PM) my data came mostly straight out of "Das Grosse VW-Porsche Buch" (see my avatar) ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy The one I have from 1989 contains VIN number ranges, but no tables to list numbers by calendar year. Do you have a new and improved version? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 22 2007, 05:35 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,607 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(type4org @ Jan 22 2007, 03:15 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 22 2007, 06:12 PM) my data came mostly straight out of "Das Grosse VW-Porsche Buch" (see my avatar) ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy The one I have from 1989 contains VIN number ranges, but no tables to list numbers by calendar year. Do you have a new and improved version? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) 2nd edition from 1991. not sure if there were any significant changes. the table with the productionnumbers by calendar year is on page 152 ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Andy |
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| type4org |
Jan 22 2007, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 22 2007, 06:35 PM) the table with the productionnumbers by calendar year is on page 152 ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Andy Dang, I kept looking in the "Daten und Fakten" section, where I assumed it would be... I'm curious how he split up the chassis number ranges by calendar year. Maybe there were calendar year stats kept somewhere, even though calendar years don't mean anything in the automobile industry. |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 22 2007, 05:45 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,607 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(type4org @ Jan 22 2007, 03:40 PM) I'm curious how he split up the chassis number ranges by calendar year. Maybe there were calendar year stats kept somewhere, even though calendar years don't mean anything in the automobile industry. when i was in contact with karman about the 914 prototypes (back in the day when i still thought i was going to be part of the restoration team for 914114) all their data was broken down by calendar year. there was even some talk about '68 shells ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Andy |
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| type4org |
Jan 22 2007, 05:49 PM
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You need PLAID! Group: Members Posts: 231 Joined: 13-June 06 From: Oldenburg (Oldb), Germany Member No.: 6,212 |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 22 2007, 06:45 PM) Hey, leave me alone with that stuff, I find it hard enough to get good data for one single model year (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 22 2007, 06:08 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,607 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(type4org @ Jan 22 2007, 03:49 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 22 2007, 06:45 PM) Hey, leave me alone with that stuff, I find it hard enough to get good data for one single model year (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) i hear 'ya ... somebody should really (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) those guys for not keeping better records ... |
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| Pat Garvey |
Jan 22 2007, 07:29 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jan 22 2007, 06:45 PM) QUOTE(type4org @ Jan 22 2007, 03:40 PM) I'm curious how he split up the chassis number ranges by calendar year. Maybe there were calendar year stats kept somewhere, even though calendar years don't mean anything in the automobile industry. when i was in contact with karman about the 914 prototypes (back in the day when i still thought i was going to be part of the restoration team for 914114) all their data was broken down by calendar year. there was even some talk about '68 shells ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Andy Hey Andy! Look, I hate to hijack this thread - no, wait...I'll PM you Pat |
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