 favorite engine drop method, what's yours? |
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| mightyohm |
 Nov 21 2003, 11:02 PM
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Advanced Member  Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,277 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 162 Region Association: Pacific Northwest   |
Last time I helped drop a 914 engine, we used the Pelican method of lowering the car almost to the ground and letting the motor plop out onto a furniture dolly. I don't know that I like this method because it really requires 2 jacks and there is no obvious way to get the engine back in when you're done, since you used gravity to help get it out.
I would like to raise and support the car, then lower the engine on my floorjack. But there is obviously going to be a balance problem. I've also heard some people use threaded rods to slowly lower everything but this sounds like too much trouble. So what's the best way? |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Nov 21 2003, 11:14 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,492 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None 
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The threaded rod method is safe and easy. Maybe slightly slower than the balance-on-the-jack method, but the few extra minutes it takes is nothing. The rods make it a one-person job.
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| Brad Roberts |
Nov 21 2003, 11:16 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Call Brad.
You disconnect everything and I will have it out in less than 5 minutes on a floorjack. If you weigh 50lbs..use the threaded rod method. B |
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| SirAndy |
Nov 21 2003, 11:19 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
yupp, balance on a floor-jack is easy. even if you're alone.
it's way easier with 2 poeple tho. Andy |
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| redshift |
Nov 21 2003, 11:25 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
I actually lifted my motor once all by myself! (*almost)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) M |
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| roundboy914 |
Nov 21 2003, 11:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 16-October 03 From: Chicago, IL Member No.: 1,251 |
I use this method.
Jack the car up, put on jack stands. Put jack under engine and drop engine, using jack (balances quite easily). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) realize that engine and trans will not clear, since your jack stands are not tall enough. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) Call over one friend and brother. You and brother lift up azz of car (not as heavy as you think), and your friend drags out the engine. |
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| Brad Roberts |
Nov 21 2003, 11:27 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Oops..
Yeah. I use the 2 ton tall jack stands. Not the little ones Place them under the donuts. You can place them on the control arms but the crossbar ends up catching on them. Axles are the biggest concern. They get in the way. B |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Nov 21 2003, 11:33 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,492 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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I just put the rear up on standard ramps. Leave the wheels and rear valance on, everything clears if you take off the induction first. Very stable.
Guess Im the sissy...again... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
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| Brad Roberts |
Nov 21 2003, 11:36 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Ahh.. that is the secrect.
I remove the air cleaner and drop them. We dont remove anything else. How do you get it out from under the car ?? B |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Nov 21 2003, 11:37 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,492 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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On a furniture dolly. The engine bar supports the front (by the rods)and a floor jack lowers the tranny for a three point balance.
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| Brad Roberts |
Nov 21 2003, 11:49 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Oh.. I dont own a dolly.
The rear muffler hanger works great as a grab handle for balancing the engine on the floorjack (which works as the dolly) I'm lazy. I dont want to run back and forth from either side loosening the nuts on the threaded shaft a little at a time. Same cat (again and again) B |
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| McMark |
Nov 22 2003, 12:15 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Yeah, I did the thread rod method once and never again. Safe, but slow as hell. Good if you're nervous. I'd get everything removed and have the wife/girlfriend/buddy help out of 5 mintues while you're actually lowering it. Aim the floor jack at the nub on the center rear of the engine and use the exhaust as a leveling handle.
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| Hawktel |
 Nov 22 2003, 12:21 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: 2-April 03 From: Ogden Utah Member No.: 506 |
QUOTE(redshift @ Nov 21 2003, 09:25 PM) I actually lifted my motor once all by myself! (*almost) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) M I carried a pick and pull Subbie 4 banger 20 yards to get it for just over free acouple years back. I think I could deadlift a 4banger, but I'm going to work really hard to not try to. |
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| tesserra |
Nov 22 2003, 12:34 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 26-March 03 From: Lafayette CA Member No.: 479 |
Has anyone tried using one of those ATV-Motorcycle jacks?
$69.00 at Sams club. I bought one to take out my v8. They come with a really wide base and more of a transmission jack setup with straps for stability. I have not used it yet, but taking out the V8 is more difficult because the motor is so much taller and heavier and I figured I need all the help I could get. It should work well but there is a learning curve on everything and I am just trying to be as safe as possible. I will first jack the car up, front and back, and set it on some real knarly 6x8 timbers set across the car. The timbers will be made stable with plywood gussets. That should give me a safe place to work under. Then just set the ATV jack under the motor loosen up everything and drop it down slowly and SAFELY. Well thats the (lengthy) plan anyway. I used to do clutch jobs on Bugs in about 1 hr. This is a little more complex though, and I haven't dropped an engine in about 20 yrs! Wish me luck! George |
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| Brad Roberts |
Nov 22 2003, 12:37 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
George..
This is what I found was easiest with the V8's. Buy a cheap carb plate and use a regular cherry picker to lower it to a cheap steel frame creaper. It will allow you to roll it right out. A V8 with tranny will sit on a steel frame creeper with no problems. B |
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| J P Stein |
Nov 22 2003, 12:41 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Ayup
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| redshift |
Nov 22 2003, 02:36 AM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
Is that snow JP?
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| tesserra |
Nov 22 2003, 08:14 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 210 Joined: 26-March 03 From: Lafayette CA Member No.: 479 |
JP Thats my lift !! Looks like its made for the job.
Brad, I thought of the cherry picker through the engine lid but I don't trust myself with a chain going thru the engine opening, (paint, body damage) Besides I don't have a cherry picker and I figured, if I have to own something, this floor hoist is easier to hide from my wife in the garage!! Thanks, George |
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| skline |
Nov 22 2003, 08:35 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
Well, I have pulled my engine out about 8 or 9 times in the past 2 years. I always jack up the back as high as I can get it on jackstands and then I use my floor jack with a 2x10 running the length of the engine and trans and drop it out by myself. I lift up the board and pull the floorjack out and then slide the engine on the board out from under the car. I will try to attach a picture of how high I get the car. I have already heard a lot of guff about how I do it. But it works for me.
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| rhodyguy |
Nov 22 2003, 08:53 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,075 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
pelican method. time vs safety? safety hands down. placing a couple of 2x4 on the front of the dolly approximatates the angle of the car when it's tail down. with care i can get the stock bolts in to line up the front bar. i think i'm getting an atv lift for christmas. jeanne asked me "would this work on the cars?". since SHE owns a 914 now, SHE"S going to have to learn some maintenance proceedures. no more oil changing for me. her stocking will have one of the plastic oil filter doodads and some h.d latex gloves in it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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