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StratPlayer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,324 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Been looking at the gaskets that came with the gasket kit I bought. The gaskets for the cyl. and heads total 7,, 3 alum. gaskets thin, 4 smaller but thicker alum. gaskets. Shouldn't the total for these gaskets be 8, I think I'm missing one of the thinner gaskets for the cylinders am I correct?
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Teenerless Weenie ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,373 Joined: 5-July 04 From: Western Mesopotamia Member No.: 2,304 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
Are you gonna run the head gaskets? If not, I wouldn't worry about it. If you are then it sounds like you are missing 1...
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 338 Joined: 26-July 06 From: Columbia, SC Member No.: 6,509 Region Association: South East States ![]() ![]() |
Yes, thin ones are for the cylinder to case seal and the thicker ones for the cylinder to head seal. You are short one.
For what it is worth, I did have a local Porsche mechanic tell me they use to run the VWs without head gaskets. He said they lapped the the cylinders to the heads for a good seal. Also yielded a slight bump in compression. |
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Engine Surgeon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
NO head gaskets!
VW said so themselves in 1981 with the factory bulletin on the subject. Head gaskets are evil- |
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StratPlayer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,324 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What about the cylinder gaskets, In your video you used the gaskets that fit to the base of the cylinder to the case?
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Viermeister ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region ![]() |
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Check the thin (cylinder to case) ones ; they stick together sometime.
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I bought an elring set recently and parts were missing from it too. Sucks - catch 22. If you open them, you can't return them, but you won't notice something missing until you open it.
One seal has always been missing from 914-4 sets is the seal behind the fan hub. Without it you will have a leak that will make you think front pulley seal or oil cooler seal. Make sure you get one. |
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StratPlayer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,324 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yep, I checked to see if any of those were stuck together an none were. So I am missing one of the cylinder gaskets, anyone out there have and extra, 2.0L.
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Chingon 601 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,011 Joined: 1-February 05 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,541 ![]() |
type II and Vanagon used teh type 4 engine after the 914 went away. Clay, I dont know your background. are you an engine builder also?
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Life's been good to me so far..... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 16,292 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille ![]() ![]() |
type II and Vanagon used teh type 4 engine after the 914 went away. Clay, I dont know your background. are you an engine builder also? Professional mechanic for many years. Lots of VW and Porsche experience. I traded in my wrenches for a laptop and now I manage servers. The vanagon and Type II are from different years and have different engine code numbers. Manufactures make changes to the production items many times over the production life. Basing a major change on a document that is not specifically written for the year, make, model, and engine code is a risky prospect. The manufacturer may have changed the later models to work without the head gaskets, but the Type-IV in the 914 was designed to use the head gasket, and there is NO tech bulletin that specifically states to eliminate the head gasket on a 914 motor. |
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Professional Lawn Dart ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
just lots of research and experience that say otherwise clay (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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StratPlayer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,324 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Question of the year, should one USE headgaskets, or should one NOT USE headgaskets. As a first time engine builder of the type 4 this issue sure has me confused. I bet any other first time builders find this confusing as well. Some for, some against, leaves me in the middle wondering which direction to go.
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Professional Lawn Dart ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: Corona, CA Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
2 schools of thought.
YES and NO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) YES - the old skoolers. do it by the "book", the Krusty's, Perrines, etc.... its how the factory did it.... NO - Raby's, etc. extensive dyno tests and experience. say lap the cylinders into the head.... lots of experience this way on the samba/type4rum,aircooledtech forums..... if all else is the same... omitting head gaskets gives you a minute bump in CR |
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
After tearing down about 8 TIVs for 914 owners at my work, the first thing I always saw when pulling the heads off were big black deposits around the bottom of the cylinder. Inspect the gasket -- and they look like a rat nibbled away at the edges. We always lap the cylinder into the head.
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914 Freak! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None ![]() |
Check your deck height. I only consider the cylinder to case gasket a shim that you might need to correct a too small deck height.
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