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| orthobiz |
 May 22 2007, 05:43 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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My engine/tranny/shifter, etc. are out of the car right now. The engine is sitting with the lonely bar held on by two lonely bolts.
Should I have the rusty engine mounting bar refinished? Or leave it "au naturel a la rust?" If refinished, what is the preferred method? Thanks! Paul |
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| orthobiz |
May 22 2007, 05:49 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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OK, OK. I can just see that "this thread is worthless without pictures" thing. So, here's a couple of pics.
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| orthobiz |
May 22 2007, 05:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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One more...
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| orthobiz |
May 22 2007, 06:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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And finally, hijacking my own topic, check out the Waxoyl cans (aerosol and regular) in the background. Brad found 'em lurking on a forgotten shelf and tells me he has just enough to treat those pesky future rust areas of my car!
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| davep |
May 22 2007, 06:31 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,138 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
I would clean it up. I don't believe they were ever coated by the factory, however it would be far more satisfying to have it as clean as the engine.
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| URY914 |
May 22 2007, 08:07 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,446 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
The bar is a big piece of German cast iron. Hit it with some sandpaper to get the loose stuff off and spray it w/ Rustolum and it will be good for another 30 years.
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| Pat Garvey |
May 22 2007, 09:29 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
Hey biz - I have one that I stripped & finished in black about 20 years ago. Yours if you want it. No charge for a bud, though shiping could be a problem.
Lemmeeeknow. Pat |
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| SirAndy |
May 23 2007, 12:48 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,623 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ May 22 2007, 07:29 PM)  finished in black bor-ring .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) how about some yellow? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| URY914 |
May 23 2007, 06:00 AM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,446 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Black's better 'cause it's going to be covered in oil soon anyways (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| Pat Garvey |
May 23 2007, 09:44 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 23 2007, 12:48 AM) QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ May 22 2007, 07:29 PM) finished in black bor-ring .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) how about some yellow? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) With ALL due respect - RALPH! Don't think it would pass for original, and this Forum is orignality based - right? Pat |
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| 914runnow |
May 24 2007, 08:26 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 340 Joined: 19-April 04 From: Modesto California Member No.: 1,948 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(orthobiz @ May 22 2007, 03:43 PM) My engine/tranny/shifter, etc. are out of the car right now. The engine is sitting with the lonely bar held on by two lonely bolts. Should I have the rusty engine mounting bar refinished? Or leave it "au naturel a la rust?" If refinished, what is the preferred method? Thanks! Paul Well need to rear my ugly head on this one... (sorry all have been bizy with my new purchase of a 71 and 75 2.0).. Anyway back to the subject.. I had this same dilemma... They were basically raw..aside from the 'Cosmoline' waxy gold coating on them......Miles on the car and age wear it away..... Soooooooo trying to attain COMPLETE factory on my 73 2.0.. I dumped it !!! I actually sinned on this one and would take a hit from the judges if so!!! Went with the 'Tin Color' black.. And had it powdercoated with color BK-05... Also had it done on my friends 76.. LOOKS Awesome!!!! Although I have seen them many different colors.. (the yellow is kooooool!!!) Concour...if I had to give a hit...A point would be max.. Just for the fact that the bar....... SHOULDAH BEEN PAINTED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!. Geeeeesh..Itz not a brake rotor..Nuff Said... |
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| Pat Garvey |
May 24 2007, 08:30 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(914runnow @ May 24 2007, 08:26 PM) QUOTE(orthobiz @ May 22 2007, 03:43 PM) My engine/tranny/shifter, etc. are out of the car right now. The engine is sitting with the lonely bar held on by two lonely bolts. Should I have the rusty engine mounting bar refinished? Or leave it "au naturel a la rust?" If refinished, what is the preferred method? Thanks! Paul Well need to rear my ugly head on this one... (sorry all have been bizy with my new purchase of a 71 and 75 2.0).. Anyway back to the subject.. I had this same dilemma... They were basically raw..aside from the 'Cosmoline' waxy gold coating on them......Miles on the car and age wear it away..... Soooooooo trying to attain COMPLETE factory on my 73 2.0.. I dumped it !!! I actually sinned on this one and would take a hit from the judges if so!!! Went with the 'Tin Color' black.. And had it powdercoated with color BK-05... Also had it done on my friends 76.. LOOKS Awesome!!!! Although I have seen them many different colors.. (the yellow is kooooool!!!) Concour...if I had to give a hit...A point would be max.. Just for the fact that the bar....... SHOULDAH BEEN PAINTED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!. Geeeeesh..Itz not a brake rotor..Nuff Said... "A point would be the max.." That's enough to lose by these days - not worth it! You are either concours or not. |
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| IronHillRestorations |
May 25 2007, 07:17 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,716 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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I have a brand new one if you like!
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| Ferg |
May 25 2007, 11:21 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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I would either powder or paint it black, although on your car, I would be tempted to blast it and then just clear coat it??
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| orthobiz |
May 25 2007, 02:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Thanks for all the replies. I think the yellow would clash with the orange! Spoke with Brad; he will pick a grey finish that looks kinda like metal. I'll eventually post a picture when it all gets done. I think I'm about two weeks away from getting the car. Front and rear sways going in, engine compartment needs to be resprayed, etc. etc. etc.
Paul |
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| Ferg |
May 25 2007, 02:06 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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| McMark |
May 27 2007, 10:36 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
This thread took an odd turn for being in the Originality and History section. If the stock bar was bare metal, wouldn't bead blasting it be the best 'restoration'? Then maybe a coat of WD-40 to keep it from flash-rusting.
Come on, let's talk originality. The garage is for "What would you do?" This room is for "What did the factory do?" Right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) What's original and how to keep it that way? |
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| orthobiz |
May 28 2007, 07:02 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,754 Joined: 8-January 07 From: Cadillac, Michigan Member No.: 7,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Well, it may not be too late, I don't know if the bar is actually painted yet. I guess it would be somewhat hard to keep it from oxidizing, given the type of metal it is. I just don't see WD40 keeping the relentless elements from causing surface oxidation away, maybe it just takes persistence on my part.
Maybe, just maybe, it's a butt ugly piece on the bottom of the car and it's meant to rust. Having seen so much rust on these cars, I want to stamp it out wherever it may be! With 182 posts, I'm still feeling like a newbie even though I have two stars. So, please move the post if it's better off in the garage... Paul |
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| McMark |
May 28 2007, 07:52 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
We don't move posts, unless they're really out of place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Just commenting on the line of thinking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
WD-40 is actually pretty persistent (doesn't disappear over time) is easy to apply, and it a decent rust preventer (basically by covering it in oil). But it might attract dirt/dust and turn the mount bar into a dirty mess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I wouldn't be surprised if spraying it with WD-40 and then wiping the excess off kept it nice and fresh looking. |
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| Pat Garvey |
 May 28 2007, 09:14 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(McMark @ May 28 2007, 07:52 PM) We don't move posts, unless they're really out of place. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Just commenting on the line of thinking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) WD-40 is actually pretty persistent (doesn't disappear over time) is easy to apply, and it a decent rust preventer (basically by covering it in oil). But it might attract dirt/dust and turn the mount bar into a dirty mess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) I wouldn't be surprised if spraying it with WD-40 and then wiping the excess off kept it nice and fresh looking. Mark, With all due respect, I don't think you appreciate what it takes to make/keep a 914 a "true" concours car. I also don't think that the average concours judge knows much about a 914, particularly the individual parts. Most look for cleanliness & preservation - preservation being the presentation of the parts of the car. 90% of 914 judges wouldn't know if this part was supposed to be painted or not - you take your chances & suck it up if they feel the finish isn't proper. In this case, it might cost you 0.1 to 0.2 points on a hard scale basis..if the judge even noticed. I'd rather take my chances (in the case of this part) with it being painted - I hate powder coating (usually an amateurish grainy finish). Besides, though this is really rugged part, why weaken it with rust. WD40 will only protect it until the first rainstorm or washing. Do you realize how many parts we have to attend to after washing a concours car? Nope, sorry, have to disagree. Paint the bastard! Pat |
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