Are 914 Pistons the same as VW Type IV |
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Are 914 Pistons the same as VW Type IV |
ne14914 |
Mar 16 2003, 03:51 PM
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Me N My914 Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Los Angeles, Cali (Inland Empire) Member No.: 388 |
I was talking with a friend of mine who was telling me that the pistons in my 1.7 are the same as the pistons in a type IV VW. Is this so?
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ChrisReale |
Mar 16 2003, 03:53 PM
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Sleazy Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 20-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 176 |
Not sure, but there compression differences in some of them. The European pistons are flat topped, or have a smaller dish than the US spec ones, which have a bigger concave dish.
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Dave Cawdrey |
Mar 16 2003, 04:40 PM
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Dumbo going poop, Daddy :) Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Seattle, WA USA Member No.: 182 |
look closely and yul see VW stamped all over yer car.
You own a VW (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif) |
Aaron Cox |
Mar 16 2003, 05:14 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
Yup....we all own VW's .......(so do 356 and 912 owners!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) ...but they are "wolf's in cheap clothing".....vw block and pistons i think are interchangeable....differnt compression ratios w/ euro 's
my .02 |
Mark Henry |
Mar 16 2003, 05:40 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Yes the 914 does have a lot of VW parts but it also has a lot of 914 only VW parts, 914 only parts, as well as 911 parts.
I don't know about the 1.7 pistons but 2 liter bus pistons are not the same as the 914 US pistons, the bus has a way bigger dish but the cylinders are the same. The 2 liter cranks are suppost to be better than a bus crank. The T4 case casting is the same, but the dipstick is different and the spot for the bus oil fill and fuel pump is not machined. I could go on and on like this, some parts are the same but a lot of the 914 parts have small differences. The vw parts often can work in a pinch. |
Alfred |
Mar 16 2003, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(korijo @ Mar 16 2003, 02:40 PM) look closely and yul see VW stamped all over yer car. You own a VW :shades: The November 1969 issue of Road & Track writes "Dr Porsche pointed out that the design of the 914 was entirely Porsche KG's and that his firm also does much consulting engineering for VW and others". So, it is more accurately a Porsche with some VW parts. I wish it was completely VW though, since that way it would be worth much more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) From http://www.nadaguides.com : 1973 Volkswagen KARMANN GHIA 2 Door Coupe - High Retail $9,950 1973 Volkswagen 181 THING Convertible - High Retail $8,500 1973 Volkswagen BEETLE Super 2 Door Sedan - High Retail $7,575 1973 Porsche 914 2 Door Targa 2.0 - High Retail $5,000 High Retail Value: "This vehicle would be in excellent condition overall. It could be a completely restored or an extremely well maintained original vehicle showing very minimal wear. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are not in need of reconditioning. The interior would be in excellent condition. Note: This value does not represent a "100 Point" or "# 1" vehicle * ". Alfred |
Bleyseng |
Mar 16 2003, 06:32 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The 1.7L engine is the same in the 411/412 and 914. The domed high compression pistons are the same, 90mm. 80hp with the Djet FI. The latter engine became more 914 and less VW spec although they were built on VW's engine line.
Geoff |
Aaron Cox |
Mar 16 2003, 07:56 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
those "high retail" estimates seem way high!
73 2.0 actually sells for that..... there is no way that a beetle will sell for more than a 914 2.0 VW made millions of beetles, parts can be found anywhere! unless it is a freakin early oval or a split window! w/ an all original 1200cc powerplant and like 0007 miles on it! and most beetles out there are complete customs or resto-customs. there is no way a vw sells for more than a 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) |
Dave Cawdrey |
Mar 16 2003, 08:08 PM
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Dumbo going poop, Daddy :) Group: Members Posts: 818 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Seattle, WA USA Member No.: 182 |
My bug is "worth" more to me than the teen... Prolly bout 15K into it :gilloutine:
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Bleyseng |
Mar 16 2003, 08:11 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Yeah, but the teener is waay more fun to drive than a bug, plus they are chick magnets!
Drive a bug and women think you are some sort of poor student, drive a Porsche 914 and hey, this guy is a stud! Geoff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
anthony |
Mar 16 2003, 08:27 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
QUOTE drive a Porsche 914 and hey, this guy is a stud! That's cuz they don't know better! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Mark Henry |
Mar 16 2003, 10:26 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Alfred is from Canada (right?) then he may not be too far of with the prices. The Bug sells for way more than a teen here. Rust claimed most of the bugs around here and there are a huge demand for them. Everyone from ol’ guys that owned a new one in the ‘50’s, to the dude who had one in college and to the kid who just thinks they’re cool wants one.
Without the big Porsche reflector on the back of my teen 95% of the people that see it don’t even know WTF it is. Lets face it, everyone from 5 to 90yrs knows what a bug is. BTW I just sold a ‘just OK’ ‘67 bug for $7000, last year I bought my really nice, rust (almost, lol) free, 914 for $4500. Canadian. Hell last year I sold a ‘61 VW Kombi (bus) that was complete but needed restoration to a guy from L.A. for $5900.USD. He shipped it straight to Japan. I’m not trying to piss anyone off, I love my 914 and to me it’s worth 4 times what I paid for it, but it’s just reality around here. |
Dave_Darling |
Mar 16 2003, 10:46 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,981 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
I think there were some 1.7L Bus engines that ran lower compression than the standard 411 and 914 1.7 engines. But the latter two were almost completely interchangeable.
--DD |
Bleyseng |
Mar 17 2003, 09:28 AM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Yeah Dave, you are right. The bus 1.7l ran dished pistons at least the one I had and rebuilt.
Geoff |
Mike D. |
Mar 17 2003, 06:00 PM
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OK, It runs now, and pretty good too! Group: Members Posts: 1,445 Joined: 3-January 03 From: Santa Clarita, Ca Member No.: 85 Region Association: None |
Someone above said that the 2.0 vw bus is different. This is true I had a set of 94mm bus pistons and they had a deeper dish. I think busses also had smaller valves on the 2.0. I believe the idea is low compression, low flow puts the torque where you need it to push a bus full of junk up an icy German hill.
About the prices, I live in So.Cal. and every six weeks at the Pomona Swap I see lots of Bugs, Busses, Ghias, Things, Transporters, etc., etc... And almost all of them are priced higher than the 914's out there for sale. Cry'n ass shame if you ask me...but you didn't... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif) -Mike D. |
Aaron Cox |
Mar 17 2003, 06:06 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
well.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) reality is sinking in.....bummer about the vw vs porsche thing...oh well, dont plan on selling mine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
only thing to do- buy a 911 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) jk...you can put the poison darts down!!!!!!!! |
ne14914 |
Mar 17 2003, 06:51 PM
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Me N My914 Group: Members Posts: 94 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Los Angeles, Cali (Inland Empire) Member No.: 388 |
Damn Guys,
This is getting depressing - Now im sorry i asked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) Ill take my 914 over a bug anyday (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) . Im a 914 newbie, just 2 weeks old. So forgive me if i ask what some of you may think are stupid questions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) . Craig |
Bleyseng |
Mar 17 2003, 07:20 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Sorry if we have some stupid answers too!
We just like havin fun so take no offense to us.....'cept for Brad, watch out for him. Geoff (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) |
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