 A week in Aircooled Heaven, I rebuilding my engine At Jake's |
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| byndbad914 |
 Sep 25 2007, 02:56 PM
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shoehorn and some butter - it fits  Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 23-January 06 From: Broomfield, CO Member No.: 5,463 Region Association: None  |
QUOTE(John @ Sep 24 2007, 08:14 PM)  You were at Jakes? What the heck is this? I cant believe you had that anywhere near an engine. ooohhh, don't watch me work on my car. I pretty much assembled the whole thing with two of them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) whaddaya mean you can tell (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I take my whole roll-away with me to the track and 9 out of 10 times I have to crawl under it, I have two of those in hand... |
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| crash914 |
Sep 25 2007, 07:06 PM
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its a mystery to me Group: Members Posts: 1,826 Joined: 17-March 03 From: Marriottsville, MD Member No.: 434 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Dave, learn all you can, take notes and get this one right...third time is the charm....I am learning the hard way too....
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| DNHunt |
Sep 25 2007, 07:42 PM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
Ok , lets get it clear on the crescent wrench. There are 2 uses for baiting you guys and loosening the bolt on the engine stand which is not metric. You guys pick. By the way, no sign of a pipe wrench.
Dave |
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| DNHunt |
Sep 25 2007, 08:34 PM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
Today was better day. I reported at 0600 again. Jake was already there. I started work after a few words over coffee. The plan was long block but, Len still had my heads and won't get them until tomorrow. By the way, Len stands behind his products too.
The day started with finishing the oil control system. Jake showed me how to tighten fixtures that use compression washer without a torque wrench. I'll probably still use a torque wrench however. The details he sees; he stopped to center the washer under the smaller oil releif plug so it would squish evenly. I filed that one. After a while, and Brent took a look. Doh! I forgot to torque the the case bolt through the oil pickup. I got a raised eyebrow over that.  Next I spent a hour at least cleaning parts again. I had to clean honing residue out of the cylinders. The process was spray with carb cleaner and wipe with a giant lint free Cleanex. The tissue had to come out as white as it went in. No soap and water BS. Carb cleaner and elbow grease. When I was done the bore looked like chrome. I filed that. Then the ring gap procedure. Measure an upper and a 2nd compression in in 2 cylinders. These were way tight I thought and I figured I'd be gaping rings. Instead, 1 cylinder went in the oven at 350 degrees and the other went in the freezer for about an hour. Then we measured again. I had to rethink my ideas of ring cap. Next, I had to make sure that the cylinder base shims didn't interfere with the cylinders when hot so, I put a shim on a cylinder and back in the oven to 350. The shim had to slip off when hot. It did. By the way I forgot to turn the oven off and wasted an hour.  Deck height was next. I forgot to zero the indicator so I about shit over .059, 056, 057, 052. When I got it figured out everything was fine but I got another raised eyebrow. I finished the day by torqueing down everything with some borrowed turbo heads with square ports and BMW E36 valves. Pretty cool. I left at 1815 came back to the motel had a beer and a shower. Later I went to a cool little tavern on the banks of a little stream for dinner and a couple of pints. Cute little waitress. Dave |
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| DNHunt |
Sep 25 2007, 08:42 PM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
I really would like my engine to look like this. This what Brent has been working on . He really has been very patient with me and I owe him big time.
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| DNHunt |
Sep 25 2007, 08:45 PM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
By the way, I got to work on a a Pinzgauer today
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| DNHunt |
Sep 25 2007, 08:49 PM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
Here's Brent, the master of patience.
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| Joe Ricard |
Sep 25 2007, 08:49 PM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Dave You seem to be doing fine. Raised eyebrows are OK it's the raised Cresent wrench that would get my attention.
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| Jake Raby |
Sep 25 2007, 09:42 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Dave has been a really good recruit... Some people I really like to educate, others that don't take the topic as seriously don't get much info at all..
Dave is hardcore for sure, he impressed me sure when he ate a burger with a wrench in one hand, not breaking away for a lunch break... Brent and I have both been tossing secrets toward Dave to help him build this engine as well as we could, which was the whole point of Dave's trip. Tom and I have been working on pinzgauer EFI development leaving Dave under the watchful eye of Brent, but he'll be getting my attention all day Thursday and Friday when the engine comes into the dyno lab for proving.Dave, thanks for the electronics assistance when hooking up the Pinz TPS! BTW- Dave got to meet Mallory this morning, my crazy assed Rottweiler mix.. See her crashed out on the floor of the shop- she don't like waking up at 0400. Dave gets to sleep in tomorrow morning, show time is 0800 but I'll be pulling an all nighter tomorrow night and if that engine of Dave's isn't bolted on the Dyno ready to fire up Thursday morning Dave will be right beside me ........ |
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| Joe Ricard |
Sep 26 2007, 10:11 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Cool name for a dog. Mallory.
Our Shepard Chow mix is Dipstick. She has a 2" black tip on her tail. |
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| vesnyder |
Sep 26 2007, 10:52 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 680 Joined: 14-April 05 From: Cleveland, OH Member No.: 3,933 |
Anxiously awaiting an update! Given I am in the the middle of a backyard rebuild I can't relate to the progress! You guys get done in 3 days what takes me 6 months! Looks like fun!
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| Jake Raby |
Sep 26 2007, 11:25 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Dave is making good progress now, he is ready for sheetmetal and then bolting it to the dyno!
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| John |
Sep 26 2007, 11:58 AM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
I sure hope it works this time.
Good luck Dave. Go Dave Go! |
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| stephenaki |
Sep 26 2007, 12:18 PM
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Can I get this one dad?? Group: Members Posts: 1,183 Joined: 11-August 07 From: Palmetto, FL Member No.: 7,987 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(DNHunt @ Sep 25 2007, 06:34 PM) Next I spent a hour at least cleaning parts again. I had to clean honing residue out of the cylinders. The process was spray with carb cleaner and wipe with a giant lint free Cleanex. The tissue had to come out as white as it went in. No soap and water BS. Carb cleaner and elbow grease. When I was done the bore looked like chrome. I filed that. Surprised you were allowed to even start without having everything totally cleaned and spotless. My Master Mechanic buddy who helped me rebuild my MG Midget engine wouldn't let me assemble squat until you could eat out of the cylinders and off of each part. Looks like your learning a lot, nothing like having experts around to help you through the process. Did you hot tank the block before you started the rebuild? |
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| John |
Sep 26 2007, 12:26 PM
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member? what's a member? Group: Members Posts: 3,393 Joined: 30-January 04 From: Evansville, IN (SIRPCA) Member No.: 1,615 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(stephenaki @ Sep 26 2007, 10:18 AM) Looks like your learning a lot, nothing like having experts around to help you through the process. Did you hot tank the block before you started the rebuild? Now how do you 'hot tank' an aluminum engine case? The 'hot tank' is for cast iron blocks. |
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| stephenaki |
Sep 26 2007, 12:30 PM
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Can I get this one dad?? Group: Members Posts: 1,183 Joined: 11-August 07 From: Palmetto, FL Member No.: 7,987 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(John @ Sep 26 2007, 10:26 AM) QUOTE(stephenaki @ Sep 26 2007, 10:18 AM) Looks like your learning a lot, nothing like having experts around to help you through the process. Did you hot tank the block before you started the rebuild? Now how do you 'hot tank' an aluminum engine case? The 'hot tank' is for cast iron blocks. OOOPS! Forgot about that! Not used to working with Aluminum or as my Brit friend calls it, aluminium! Was still thinking archaic ugly MG engine! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) |
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| mstein95 |
Sep 26 2007, 02:04 PM
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Back when grey Levi's were the rage. Group: Members Posts: 404 Joined: 1-May 06 From: Eugene, OR Member No.: 5,959 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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I forsee "Aircooled Heaven - Pacific NW Division" located in beautiful Gig Harbor, Washington. Dave - Should I make a rebuild appt with the Fircrest office, the home office or what? Do I dare say.....Kevin can run the Type IV store - PNW Division. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) We all envy you Dave!!! Can't wait to hear all about it upon your return. |
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| dinomium |
Sep 26 2007, 02:48 PM
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Git on a chair son, all the good stuff is goin over yer head! Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,777 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Bremerton, WA Member No.: 74 Region Association: Pacific Northwest  |
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| Jake Raby |
Sep 26 2007, 03:23 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Dave only has 5 days to build and dyno the engine, thats just enough time to get the job done working at a steady pace without rushing.
Here we build in stages and clean the parts and etc for those stages as we approach them.. Guess why??? Thats because cleaning parts as you assemble keeps dust and other foreign matter from having time to accumulate on the parts. If you clean everything then let it sit while assembling you'll gain some dust for sure. We work in the cleanest atmosphere possible, but there is still dust about no matter what. As I assemble I take the time to hit each part with denatured alcohol as I install them. But thats why I only personally assemble 4-5 engines a year and it takes me 5X longer than it should. |
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| craig downs |
Sep 26 2007, 07:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 768 Joined: 25-November 05 From: mira loma ca. Member No.: 5,189 Region Association: Southern California |
How did he get thru valve train geometry so fast?
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