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> Bringing out the dead
Jeff Hail
post Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
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Bringing Out The Dead.....or how to restore a rusty 914 and convert it to a street/track car when I have time after dealing with everyone elses stuff.

My background is collision and restoration (day job) of high end automobiles for 28 years in addition to race fabrication. I jumped the fence and left that industry to pursue pretty much the same thing except on the paperwork end which is really boring and thankless. (another day job)

I look at rust like a diamond in the rough. Rust is afraid of me because it know's it cannot live in my world. Metal becomes submissive because I have confidence in my metal working talents. I will add to this post as work progress's.

I hope my years of experience can help others as I add. I believe there is a right way to repair a car and wrong way. I metal finish because in the end its cleaner, lighter and stronger. I was taught old school techniques with new school technology. A great combination. I also believe in doing a job once correctly using the highest quality materials and proper tools. Many ways to skin a cat I say. If you hold it by the tail it can still bite!

Good advice to follow:
Take measurements of the door openings and targa bar to windshield header. Cross measure then do it again to confirm. Recheck your measurements against the factory figures. Make a couple of adjustable braces for each side that attach from the upper seat belt anchors to the door hinges. I recommend cross braces also right to left. These can be made from rod or tube and turnbuckles for cheap. Racer Chris has some really nice ones with rod ends. Support the car from below equally on both sides of the undercarriage and front and rear. I do not believe jack stands can hold the proper tolerances at 4 points. It takes a minimum of 6 and preferably 8. These are all easy to do and are essential to a square and level chassis. Not everyone can afford a Cellete bench or hourly frame time at a shop for these type of do it yourself repairs. Impovisation can be done correctly and for a lot less money. Make sure your floor or platform is level.

Keep in mind that tolerances for the 914 were 7-9mm from the factory so anything you can do to make it better is worth it. 7mm by today’s standards is huge. 9mm is a Grand Canyon. Anything you can do to tighten the tolerances will provide a better end product. Exterior panels were fit with the adjust and weld method and are only a skin.

My 914 had measurements all over the place on the front end and the rust issues were all in the rear that needed correction. Car was never in any collisions.
90% of the measurements were factory assembly tolerances. Porsche's aint perfect.

I made my own dedicated bench for 911's and 914's. By some stroke of luck I ended up with a 1 mm variance in height (datum) and 2mm in length and width is zero with my own fixtures. This has been substantiated with endless anal cross measuring and factory manuals. I used a steel front suspension cross member as a front body holding fixture. I went through 4 before I found an acceptable one. The first 3 were so far off factory tolerances (4-6 mm out of square) I rejected them before I found a good one.

My bench is not for pulling. It was designed for assembly and replacement of structural parts. It will support 3,000 pounds. $350 worth of steel and another $175 in industrial castors was worth it considering its use. A stripped 914 shell is a feather and easy to roll around. When you cut and replace structural parts recheck your measurements. Control points change when you remove, replace and weld in new parts. They are easily controlled with patience.

If it does not come out perfect do not lose sleep. Remember tolerance and variance was not perfect from the factory. If you have a control point locating hole that is 14 mm a dowel or pin of 9-10mm was used during birth. That is why suspension systems are adjustable for variance and wear. You will also find center indexing points on the front and rear of the body. Easy tools to use are plumb lines, tape measures and levels if you do not have access to high end measuring equipment. You can locate and make symmetrical measurements throughout repairs. If you have one side that is undamaged or not rusted use that side as a starting point for measurements. Use panel gaps as a visual indicator during repairs and welding.

3 important factors- height, length and width. If you are me then there are 4 (Z axis) and that one will make you lose sleep!

Some pics of the beggining: A back east 914 comes to California.


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Jeff Hail   Bringing out the dead   Oct 1 2007, 11:35 PM
Jeff Hail   Contd   Oct 1 2007, 11:37 PM
Jeff Hail   Contd Rear floor replacement. An yes the RD flo...   Oct 1 2007, 11:41 PM
Eric_Shea   Wow :o :wttc: This'll be a fun one to watch.   Oct 1 2007, 11:43 PM
Jeff Hail   Wow :o :wttc: This'll be a fun one to watch...   Oct 1 2007, 11:47 PM
Jeff Hail   Interior stripped. Odometer? DMV say its for real ...   Oct 1 2007, 11:57 PM
Jeff Hail   Moving along into the rocker and longs. This was h...   Oct 2 2007, 12:08 AM
Jeff Hail   Cut out the rusted outer. Actually only the rear 1...   Oct 2 2007, 12:17 AM
Jeff Hail   Floor metal finished and primed. No filler. I did ...   Oct 2 2007, 12:54 AM
jd74914   Nice work, I can't wait to see more . . . and ...   Oct 1 2007, 11:52 PM
KELTY360   :wttc: Are you the Jeff Hail of the Mulholland ...   Oct 2 2007, 12:42 AM
Jeff Hail   :wttc: Are you the Jeff Hail of the Mulholland...   Oct 2 2007, 01:00 AM
Twystd1   Were you part of the Mulholland crew back in the d...   Oct 2 2007, 12:48 AM
Jeff Hail   Were you part of the Mulholland crew back in the ...   Oct 2 2007, 01:19 AM
Lou W   :wttc: Keep the pctures coming. :)   Oct 2 2007, 03:07 AM
Justin Fischer   :wttc: Wow, that was some introduction. Keep th...   Oct 2 2007, 08:18 AM
SGB   shhhh. Artist at work. Thats really impressive.   Oct 2 2007, 08:27 AM
pin31   Very cool !!! Someone should write a ...   Oct 2 2007, 10:11 AM
Jeff Hail   This weeks installment of Bringing out the dead A...   Oct 6 2007, 09:22 PM
Jeff Hail   Some great tools to have are the Astro Scraper. It...   Oct 6 2007, 09:32 PM
sixnotfour   I am in shock that some one in CA would take on th...   Oct 6 2007, 09:36 PM
Jeff Hail   I am in shock that some one in CA would take on t...   Oct 6 2007, 11:00 PM
Jeff Hail   Seam sealer stripped off the inner firewall with t...   Oct 6 2007, 09:50 PM
Jeff Hail   You gotta have bars. Keep those gaps in check when...   Oct 7 2007, 12:06 AM
Jeff Hail   This is an original Coppertone car that was re-pai...   Oct 7 2007, 12:13 AM
stateofidleness   even if you're just cutting out small patches ...   Oct 7 2007, 01:11 AM
Jeff Hail   even if you're just cutting out small patches...   Oct 7 2007, 01:41 AM
watsonrx13   Very nice photo-documentary on the restoration of ...   Oct 7 2007, 07:30 AM
Jeff Hail   Very nice photo-documentary on the restoration of...   Oct 7 2007, 02:52 PM
KELTY360   That lower firewall is serious sheetmetal porn. ...   Oct 7 2007, 10:07 AM
Jeff Hail   The lower outer firewall is out. I didn't even...   Oct 7 2007, 07:49 PM
Jeff Hail   Didn't get much done with the car this week. B...   Oct 14 2007, 09:08 PM
Jeff Hail   I could have repaired and sectioned the right inne...   Oct 14 2007, 09:18 PM
Jeff Hail   The outer wheelhouse metal is sound. I was surpise...   Oct 14 2007, 09:35 PM
type11969   Jeff- nice work, just figured out that you were th...   Oct 14 2007, 09:50 PM
Jeff Hail   Jeff- nice work, just figured out that you were t...   Oct 14 2007, 11:11 PM
type11969   Jeff- Thanks for the info. I've tried us...   Oct 15 2007, 08:11 AM
tdgray   Great work Jeff.... great when you get to say... ...   Oct 15 2007, 07:56 AM
Jeff Hail   A couple of hours to play today. Cut the old inne...   Oct 16 2007, 09:19 PM
Jeff Hail   Rust is a crafty beast. If you can see rust you ar...   Oct 16 2007, 09:30 PM
Jeff Hail   I mentioned the other day double walled panels. Th...   Oct 16 2007, 09:48 PM
Jeff Hail   A mock up shot from underneath.   Oct 16 2007, 10:01 PM
Jeff Hail   An important note I would like to mention: "I...   Oct 16 2007, 10:35 PM
SirAndy   very nice! you have some skillz, sir ... :wor...   Oct 16 2007, 10:36 PM
Jeff Hail   We always can use tutorials with pics. Here is a c...   Oct 16 2007, 11:08 PM
type11969   Jeff- Seriously nice work, thanks for the in...   Oct 17 2007, 09:13 AM
Jeff Hail   Don't you love it when you are making a new po...   Oct 18 2007, 09:34 PM
nola914   Jeff: Is there a source for the horizontal and v...   Oct 19 2007, 12:28 AM
watsonrx13   Jeff: Is there a source for the horizontal and ...   Oct 19 2007, 05:11 AM
Jeff Hail   Jeff: Is there a source for the horizontal and ...   Oct 19 2007, 09:52 AM
Jeff Hail   Second time the site went down trying to post pict...   Oct 20 2007, 09:57 PM
degreeoff   :beer2: I just have to say....'right on my man...   Oct 20 2007, 10:28 PM
Jeff Hail   Threw a second coat of primer on before it got dar...   Oct 20 2007, 10:45 PM
Jeff Hail   A little more on welding thin sheetmetal: Use wel...   Oct 20 2007, 11:13 PM
rjames   Any advice on which brand of weld through primer t...   Oct 21 2007, 12:24 AM
Jeff Hail   Any advice on which brand of weld through primer ...   Oct 21 2007, 12:35 AM
rhodyguy   this thread NEVER ceases to amaze!! wow. t...   Oct 21 2007, 10:18 AM
majkos   :agree: Your tips has saved me 20 years of trial...   Oct 21 2007, 10:30 AM
Thomas J Bliznik   Mr. Jeff Hail Your metal work is magnificent :wor...   Oct 21 2007, 10:51 AM
StratPlayer   This is truely amazing stuff here. My hats off to...   Oct 21 2007, 01:25 PM
Gint   :agree: Nice work. I wish I had the talent to do...   Oct 21 2007, 05:22 PM
Jeff Hail   A valid PM was sent to me by Wes in reference to m...   Oct 21 2007, 06:37 PM
Wes V   A valid PM was sent to me by Wes in reference to ...   Oct 21 2007, 07:46 PM
Jeff Hail   Another example of double walled panels. The right...   Oct 21 2007, 07:47 PM
Jeff Hail   type11969 has a few questions regarding Roloc disc...   Oct 26 2007, 11:50 PM
type11969   Thanks Jeff!   Oct 28 2007, 08:22 AM
Jeff Hail   Didnt get anything done for two weeks. Fire's,...   Nov 3 2007, 07:45 PM
Jeff Hail   Prepped the flanges and seams for the inner and ou...   Nov 3 2007, 07:47 PM
Jeff Hail   Passenger side of the tunnel was just surface rust...   Nov 3 2007, 07:50 PM
Rand   Just wanted to give you a virtual high five here J...   Nov 3 2007, 07:58 PM
Jeff Hail   Just wanted to give you a virtual high five here ...   Nov 3 2007, 09:01 PM
Jeff Hail   Mocked up the inner and outer firewalls to see how...   Nov 3 2007, 08:06 PM
Jeff Hail   Kind of looks like a 914 again! Still lots to...   Nov 3 2007, 08:08 PM
Jeff Hail   One last thing for the day. It is possible to get ...   Nov 3 2007, 08:26 PM
Jeff Hail   Anyone with an early car know what these holes are...   Nov 3 2007, 09:12 PM
1970 Neun vierzehn   Anyone with an early car know what these holes ar...   Nov 3 2007, 11:58 PM
sixnotfour   Yes, that hole is for a pivot ball , But for 4 cyl...   Nov 4 2007, 10:40 AM
Wes V   For those that may not know; Clecos are clamps th...   Nov 4 2007, 12:11 PM
davep   Jeff, can you take some good photos of that panel ...   Nov 4 2007, 01:32 PM
Jeff Hail   Stuff that is easier to do now than later. I am u...   Nov 4 2007, 07:41 PM
Jeff Hail   Wondering how I flaired the tube? After rummaging ...   Nov 4 2007, 07:46 PM
Jeff Hail   Mig welded the spigot to the firewall and some pri...   Nov 4 2007, 07:48 PM
Jeff Hail   Moving along to the E-Brake Cable delete. Cut out...   Nov 4 2007, 07:55 PM
Jeff Hail   A little finishing with a grinder and conditioning...   Nov 4 2007, 08:03 PM
Jeff Hail   Some more holes that need to go away. The mystery...   Nov 4 2007, 08:20 PM
Jeff Hail   Corrosion Protection: I cannot stress enough abou...   Nov 4 2007, 08:30 PM
Jeff Hail   I decided to leave the early boot cup on the shift...   Nov 4 2007, 08:38 PM
Jeff Hail   Didnt get any work done on the tub during the week...   Nov 10 2007, 09:50 PM
Jeff Hail   Again the rear floor behind the seat crossmember i...   Nov 10 2007, 10:14 PM
Jeff Hail   Once everything has sat a little while it is then ...   Nov 10 2007, 10:24 PM
Jeff Hail   Working in smaller area's makes it easier to m...   Nov 10 2007, 10:48 PM
restore2seater   Helpful advise....DO NOT SPRAY THIS TYPE OF PRODU...   Nov 11 2007, 12:27 PM
Jeff Hail   [quote name='Jeff Hail' post='965475' date='Nov 1...   Nov 11 2007, 02:43 PM
stateofidleness   hey jeff, question. you are about where im at on m...   Nov 10 2007, 11:15 PM
Jeff Hail   hey jeff, question. you are about where im at on ...   Nov 11 2007, 12:30 AM
Twystd1   Jeff, When I was up at your house checking out yo...   Nov 11 2007, 01:54 AM
Twystd1   Before I forget............ I owe you a cup ...   Nov 11 2007, 01:55 AM
Jeff Hail   Before I forget............ I owe you a cup ...   Nov 11 2007, 03:11 PM
HalM   Just tuned into this thread and al I can say is WO...   Nov 11 2007, 08:29 AM
Jeff Hail   "While you're in there" Had second t...   Nov 11 2007, 10:49 PM
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