Compression or leakdown test???, Which is preferred to sell an engine?? |
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Compression or leakdown test???, Which is preferred to sell an engine?? |
Mueller |
Mar 18 2003, 03:20 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
I know once I post this 2.0 motor for sale, I'm going to be asked a bunch of questions (no, I will not take trades (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )
Namely compression or leakdown values.......compression I can do myself so that is a no-brainer (famous last words) Should I bother with trying to get a leakdown test for a Type IV motor??? |
porschewiz |
Mar 18 2003, 03:33 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: 11-March 03 Member No.: 412 |
Compresion test.... The leakdown test may vary depenting where the Piston is on its stoke. Some of the jugs walls will come egg shapped and lose compression mid-way up its stoke
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Brad Roberts |
Mar 18 2003, 04:45 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Unless that engine can be warmed up... the tests are all worthless. Tell Brian Mifsud I said hello.
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Mueller |
Mar 18 2003, 04:48 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
I guess it would be hard to do the compression test while the engine is warmed up since it might be a bad idea to pull the plugs....
Oh well, the buyers will just have to "trust me" , LOL |
Brad Roberts |
Mar 18 2003, 04:51 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
What is wrong with pulling the plugs on a warm engine ?? Wives tail ?? Compression numbers themselves dont mean a damn thing. Consistentcy between cylinders is what I look for. 130/130/130/80 is not good.
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Mueller |
Mar 18 2003, 05:03 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Wives tale???
I guess so, that is something I was always told not to do....by whom, I have no idea, I just always thought it was "wrong" to do so and that I could risk stripping the threads. |
Brad Roberts |
Mar 18 2003, 05:07 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
So... when I bring Wicker or Bontempi off the track into the hot pits and do a plug reading...straight off the track... I shouldnt ?? I'm in big trouble. There is no other way to get a decent compression check or plug reading. You'll be fine. The people that have problems are the people who cross threaded them to begin with or those that have TimeCerts. The time certs can come out if somebody didnt stake them in.
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GWN7 |
Mar 18 2003, 05:19 PM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
I always understood it was best to do a wet & dry test on a warm engine. Watch for burnt fingers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Zeke |
Mar 18 2003, 05:47 PM
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Never left, but not right.... Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 26-January 03 From: Long Beach CA Member No.: 197 Region Association: None |
I favor compression. If the comp is low in one or more cyls, the leak down can identify/isolate the problem. If the motor has good comp numbers, there's no need for a leak down. Another benenficial leak down is for the total engine. This finds vacuum leaks in the intake. You can do this with an intake valve open and the intake sealed. But you do this with a vacuum, not pressure. I belive NASCAR does this on restrictor plate motors. If they find a leak, they tear the motor down. A leak there is speed.
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Dave_Darling |
Mar 18 2003, 06:06 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,981 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
If you're just doing it to sell the motor, take the compression readings any way you want to. If they're cold, note that. (E.g., Compression (cold) 155/150/145/155 PSI.)
If you get warm compression and warm leak-down, you might be able to talk a prospective buyer into paying a little more $$. Oh, and leak-down for these purposes is usually done at TDC. Just make sure you have a way to hold the engine there.... --DD |
Mueller |
Mar 18 2003, 06:12 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Hey Dave...this would be a great way to have a running and driving 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif)
hint, hint......hahahaha |
Dave_Darling |
Mar 18 2003, 06:37 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,981 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Don't think I hadn't thought about it...
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Mueller |
Mar 18 2003, 06:46 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
A few nights ago while crawling back under the 914 I was seriously thinking of keeping the "loaner" motor and selling my fresh 2.0 since the thought of doing another engine swap in a few weeks/months is not very appealing right now..............one good thing is that I know I could bolt my Megasquirt on the "loaner" motor and be running again in just a few hours (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I'm getting tired of working on the car....it always seems to be one step forward, two steps back (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) |
chunger |
Mar 19 2003, 03:10 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 409 Joined: 11-January 03 From: Albany, CA Member No.: 133 |
QUOTE I could bolt my Megasquirt on the "loaner" motor and be running again in just a few hours or hydralocked in a couple minutes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) hee hee. . . |
Mueller |
Mar 19 2003, 11:28 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
Very funny 'Chung.....
That was a very strange occurance......all my fault since I had the injectors powered directly to the battery instead of using a relay..... Can you bring my stim. to the dinner? It looks like I have the "loaner" motor sold so I'll have to kick some ass and get my other motor fixed.......... |
Dave_Darling |
Mar 19 2003, 11:40 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,981 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Mike, I can bring my stim kit to the dinner if you like. It's not assembled, though... More DIY required! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
--DD |
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