The 170 HP MassIVe 2056cc beast, And it only has 9:1 CR, video links within! |
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The 170 HP MassIVe 2056cc beast, And it only has 9:1 CR, video links within! |
Jake Raby |
Jan 28 2008, 08:32 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Thats right...
We have just broken RAT history again and have exceeded our expectations on the very first pull from a recently developed 2056 combo using a cam that was developed in 2006 and a set of off the shelf LE 200 heads! This engine was originally going to be equipped with our roller lifters, but due to continued challenges we had to scratch the rollers and apply conventional lifters to the engine. The power we have made with this engine using the conventional lifters is basically the same or just a tad more than we were looking for with the rollers, so I am VERY happy. The graph posted below is from the engine's VERY FIRST pull and we know this combo has more potential that will be found in tuning alone as we continue to understand how the combination functions. Now, the most amazing part of this is the fact that this engine absolutely annihilates the best 2270 combos from 2-3 years ago in every way! It makes just as much torque, and more HP that our 9:1 Performer 2270 did in 2006! Last week Charles from LN engineering came down for another round of oil testing and we used this engine for the analysis. After testing 11 oils we decided to pull the heads back off the engine to see if Len can find even more power. We'll have the heads back this week and will get more results. I honestly expect 190 HP from this engine with the changes Len will make and the CR we plan on adding. At 9:1 this engine would run easily on 89 octane and based on the timing settings the engine liked it will love 9.5-9.8:1 CR You can view a short video we threw together from the oil testing on youtube here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYV8OD8Ohlg&feature=user This one is just days away from being added to my turn key engine catalog... This may be the best cost/HP engine we have ever created and it still has great torque! |
Jake Raby |
Jan 28 2008, 12:20 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE Jake, the end of that video cracked me up. you are having way too much fun being the engine DR/mad scientist. I bet you like the smell of brad penn. I know I do. few are fortunate enough to enjoy their job as much as us. Yep.. I do have a lot of fun... The scent of Brad Penn can be noted from the tailpipe 100 feet away!! QUOTE PS. that would make a kick butt CP engine to run in PCS AX. I think it would be no contest against a regular 2.0 carbd engine No way, it has almost 100HP more than stock, not bad from less than 100ccs of added displacement!! QUOTE will this technology tranfer to your stroker mojos to increase their output also? Development with this will occur soon.. BUT there is a compromise of this cam being ran with stroke.. Thats because the lovbe lift is hefty and requires a seriously reduced base circle. the reduced B/C pulls the lifters further from their bores when on the heel of the lobe and that weakens the bores and makes for more wear... This is why I always preach that it's all in the combo, because a 2270 with this cam may make big power, but wouldn't meet my demands for longevity for the MassIVe program. That being said I'll almost bet that this cam, when used in a 2270 will make LESS power than with the 2056 and thats because bigger simply isn't better than "smarter"... QUOTE So, based upon those results, what would the 2270 do with a similar cam/head combo? I'll let the engine tell me.. Give me 45 days. |
r_towle |
Jan 28 2008, 12:22 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,573 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE Jake, the end of that video cracked me up. you are having way too much fun being the engine DR/mad scientist. I bet you like the smell of brad penn. I know I do. few are fortunate enough to enjoy their job as much as us. Yep.. I do have a lot of fun... The scent of Brad Penn can be noted from the tailpipe 100 feet away!! QUOTE PS. that would make a kick butt CP engine to run in PCS AX. I think it would be no contest against a regular 2.0 carbd engine No way, it has almost 100HP more than stock, not bad from less than 100ccs of added displacement!! QUOTE will this technology tranfer to your stroker mojos to increase their output also? Development with this will occur soon.. BUT there is a compromise of this cam being ran with stroke.. Thats because the lovbe lift is hefty and requires a seriously reduced base circle. the reduced B/C pulls the lifters further from their bores when on the heel of the lobe and that weakens the bores and makes for more wear... This is why I always preach that it's all in the combo, because a 2270 with this cam may make big power, but wouldn't meet my demands for longevity for the MassIVe program. That being said I'll almost bet that this cam, when used in a 2270 will make LESS power than with the 2056 and thats because bigger simply isn't better than "smarter"... QUOTE So, based upon those results, what would the 2270 do with a similar cam/head combo? I'll let the engine tell me.. Give me 45 days. I figured you just found some new magic and you would try it on your favorite motor...just curious if you had already done it. Rich |
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