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> Suby-engined rustoration, 23-Mar-2021 update: new tires & wheels
strawman
post Apr 18 2008, 12:19 AM
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Hi All --

This is my second post, but I've been lurking on this fine website for a while now. I've wanted a 914 since I was in high school, but always seemed to stumble upon other projects... until recently.

My neighbor gave me this 1973 Porsche 914 about a month ago. He told me he blew a head gasket and parked it in his parents' driveway in 1992. When his parents finally told him to move it or they were calling a local junkyard, he offered it to me since he knows I'm a gearhead. In for a penny, in for a pound...

I hauled it home, knowing that it has some rust issues in the battery area and rear trunk. But it appears to have never been in a wreck and it is complete. It turns out that an exhaust stud pulled, so he coulda fixed it for a couple hundred and probably kept another 914 from languishing but I guess all things happen for a reason (namely, so I would undertake this project!).

I sold the engine to a local Craigslister for use in his Meyers Manx dune buggy, and bought a wrecked but running 1993 Subaru Legacy turbo wagon. This is the closed-deck 2.2 liter engine, and 250 hp is easy with boost control and an open exhaust. I've already done a Subaru into a VW Vanagon and my daily driver is a 1992 Suby Legacy, so this won't be too much of a stretch for me. I plan to use the Suby 5-speed transmission (out of a 1998 Suby Forester) with the Aussie-sourced RWD elimination coupler and custom-mated 914/Suby axles.

I've got a suburban home with a crowded two-car garage (my 125 shifter kart and my daughter's FJA kart will likely get lonely!), a MIG welder, and a wide assortment of air/power/hand tools -- so the adventure begins! This project will likely take a year to finish, so please be patient.

I've attached some pics of the car as found in the driveway, some rust areas and the rear trunk repairs I've started. I'll chronicle the build as I go, so feel free to chime in!

Geoff


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post Jun 6 2009, 04:27 PM
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You can put your hand on my sons sti after driving it and just get out and open the hood and touch the intake with the spacers.
I have some 2.5 na coolant crossovers and the wrx and sti is wider that is what I was going by. I'm pretty sure the 22t only made 160hp.

Well, I sorta have a motor, I have a 02 wrx motor and tranny with 5k on it that I have had a year or so. I went to kansas and bought the most of a front clip out of a wrx that a older man had bought in 02 but passed away before he could use it. It was on nasioc classifieds. I originally got it to put in a dunebuggy. I decided the buggy would be hard to do a radiator and still look nice. while I was getting the motor ready I built a large 8qt short oil pan and a modified ss header that is shorter and bought the outfront alt bracket and belt. I also have a 96 2.0 tt motor and tranny and all the tt stuff that came with it. I also have a 2.5 sti shortblock and a 2.0 closed deck shortblock And many sets of heads that I have found over the past few years. My son hotrods a sti and I have fabbed him a bigger oilpan and some other stuff for his car. A true cold air intake and a enclosed shroud for his front ic, I have also redone his ss ic piping to have fewer sharp turns.

We took the original motor out of his sti at 40k and put in a built motor with a lot of stuff, bigger cams a bigger turbo, ported heads, bigger oilpump, a external oil bypass to adjust oil pressure and modified tumble generator valves on the intake. He is a me and likes to study this stuff and I like to fab hotrod stuff.

I've got all of his old parts that are left over from his upgrades. He will be the one programming the wrx ecu for me in the 914 with open source romraider. I will probably start with the wrx motor but soon will be making a 2.5 with wrx heads and sti cams with a sti turbo. If he goes to a 35r from the 30r turbo I guess I might try that. The 30r makes a reliable 26lbs of boost on his 2.5. We haven't dynoed his car but the hp is around 400-425 awdhp by his 1/4 mile speed and times but he is really tuning it conservitively on 93 pump gas. He is really not a dragracer.

I have put a bremar conversion on the 96 legacy tranny and have bought two obx lsd's to put in both trannys. The 96 is a 4:44 I think and the wrx tranny is a 3:90. Really the 3:90 is probably the best in the 914. I also have two sets of porscharu's flanges for the trannys. I found some new 17 inch boxter wheels and tires from a porsche dealer in Balitmore for 825 shipped, the tires are 25 inches tall. The tires are 8 in the front and 10 in the rear. I will make a cable shifter but I really want to build a sequential shifter. Suby drivers are notorious for getting in the wrong gear on down shifts and breaking ring lands on the pistons and causing other things like spun rod bearings. I will probably use a air to water ic as I think in the 914 that will be the most efficient. I've gotten the 911 front and rear stuff including the emerg. brake stuff and also the aluminum brembos from the alfa romeo milano to use front and rear. I've got the wrx rad. but also found a new custom 1 inch tube two row alum. rad really cheap on ebay. It was for a v8 ford in a toyota truck but it's the perfect size for the 914, 35.00. It also has 1.250 inlet and outlets.

My only problem is the damn house projects that keep piling up. But also the other toys in the shop. I have also been helping my oldest son restore his 72 super beetle I took away from him in 86.
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post Jun 7 2009, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(charliew @ Jun 6 2009, 03:27 PM) *

You can put your hand on my sons sti after driving it and just get out and open the hood and touch the intake with the spacers.
I have some 2.5 na coolant crossovers and the wrx and sti is wider that is what I was going by. I'm pretty sure the 22t only made 160hp.



Hi Charlie --

I just ordered a set of the Grimmspeed phenolic spacers... one of those "while I'm in there" purchases.

My EJ22T has a TD05H-16G turbo, topmount charge air intercooler, manual boost control and fuel cut defenser. So I'm hoping to get ~200 hp from that engine, based on "conjecture" on the LegacyCentral website. No matter -- I'm treating that engine as a "prove it can be done" situation, and will replace it with an STI engine down the road.

Good luck with your project!
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strawman   Suby-engined rustoration   Apr 18 2008, 12:19 AM
strawman   More pics of the rust in/around the battery tray a...   Apr 18 2008, 12:25 AM
strawman   Here are some pics of the front and rear trunks......   Apr 18 2008, 12:30 AM
strawman   Here are some pics of windshield/cowl area that...   Apr 18 2008, 12:33 AM
strawman   Okay, here are some pics of the rear trunk area. I...   Apr 18 2008, 12:41 AM
strawman   More trunk pics...   Apr 18 2008, 12:45 AM
strawman   More...   Apr 18 2008, 12:46 AM
strawman   And some more, with the AA trunk pan mocked up...   Apr 18 2008, 12:49 AM
strawman   Finally, here are some pics of the gaps near the f...   Apr 18 2008, 12:50 AM
strawman   I've ordered some POR-15 supplies and some Wur...   Apr 18 2008, 12:56 AM
charliew   Hi Strawman, Good work sofar, I hope you don't...   Apr 18 2008, 10:16 AM
strawman   Mind explaining the 99 forester tranny choice? ...   Apr 18 2008, 11:17 AM
Zaney   Awesome start! I am going to dive into my Sub...   Apr 18 2008, 11:00 AM
strawman   Been a while since I last posted, but I've bee...   Jul 9 2008, 12:04 PM
strawman   Here is a pic of the rear trunk/panel, ready for i...   Jul 9 2008, 12:16 PM
strawman   Here are two closeup pics of the rear corners, tha...   Jul 9 2008, 12:19 PM
strawman   Now for a pic of the rotisserie parts. I bought a ...   Jul 9 2008, 12:45 PM
tdgray   Good work... keep it up... I've done worse and...   Jul 9 2008, 03:37 PM
strawman   Look what showed up today at my doorstep... the Br...   Jul 17 2008, 09:02 PM
rick 918-S   :wttc: :headbanger: :popcorn:   Jul 17 2008, 10:22 PM
strawman   Got the car up on the rotisserie today. Used my ch...   Jul 19 2008, 07:51 PM
strawman   It has been a while since I last posted, but I hav...   Aug 16 2008, 09:40 PM
strawman   Next up is a pic of the patch piece, made of 16 ga...   Aug 16 2008, 09:59 PM
strawman   Here is a pic of lower patch piece, made of 18 ga....   Aug 16 2008, 10:25 PM
Hammy   Awesome progress. How are you planning on mounti...   Aug 17 2008, 04:06 AM
strawman   How are you planning on mounting your Suby engine...   Aug 21 2008, 11:33 PM
plymouth37   Very cool! Looking forward to following your p...   Aug 21 2008, 11:44 PM
roadster fan   Nice work, makes me wanna go fire up the mig and t...   Aug 22 2008, 06:54 AM
strawman   It has been a while since I last posted and work h...   Sep 26 2008, 11:35 AM
strawman   Here is another pic of the jig... Here is a pic...   Sep 26 2008, 11:44 AM
pktzygt   OK, this and a few other treads are my motivation ...   Oct 2 2008, 02:06 PM
FourBlades   Nice work! :Qarl: Take more pictures, you ...   Oct 2 2008, 07:47 PM
rick 918-S   :popcorn:   Oct 3 2008, 06:11 PM
tronporsche   You will no doubt be able to be one of the guys th...   Oct 3 2008, 06:51 PM
strawman   Been a while since my last post, but I've made...   Nov 16 2008, 11:16 PM
strawman   Next up are some other pics of the passenger side ...   Nov 16 2008, 11:21 PM
strawman   I sandblasted the entire inner long to get down to...   Nov 16 2008, 11:34 PM
strawman   Next up is a pic of the jack post, followed by the...   Nov 16 2008, 11:53 PM
FourBlades   Beautiful work dude! :Qarl: Keep it going...   Nov 17 2008, 08:33 AM
Zaney   Awesome work! Make sure that breathing apparat...   Nov 17 2008, 11:23 AM
strawman   Had all of last week off work, but we had family i...   Dec 2 2008, 11:32 PM
strawman   On Sunday, I finished up welding in the rear trunk...   Dec 3 2008, 12:13 AM
FourBlades   Looking good. :Qarl: You made some great progr...   Dec 3 2008, 08:10 AM
Root_Werks   Wow! Great work, I can't believe I didn...   Dec 3 2008, 09:32 AM
my928s4   Nice fabrication work, you have given me some idea...   Dec 3 2008, 11:44 AM
strawman   Been a while since I posted, and work/family has g...   Jan 10 2009, 10:38 PM
strawman   Here's some pics of the driver's side. As ...   Jan 10 2009, 10:47 PM
strawman   Finally, here's some of the trailing arm stiff...   Jan 10 2009, 11:02 PM
jc914   Nice work :popcorn:   Jan 11 2009, 12:13 PM
strawman   The AA rocker covers that I bought as part of the ...   Jan 21 2009, 11:31 PM
charliew   My wife seems afraid of my shop which is ok to me....   Jan 22 2009, 01:12 PM
Zaney   Geoff, Could you post a picture of the "burr ...   Jan 22 2009, 03:22 PM
charliew   A burr is a term for a carbide bit that fits in a ...   Jan 24 2009, 01:19 PM
strawman   A burr is a term for a carbide bit that fits in a...   Jan 25 2009, 10:26 PM
strawman   I bought a 1969 911 rear suspension/brake system t...   Jan 25 2009, 10:54 PM
strawman   I picked up a 1976 911 roller for parts a couple o...   Feb 18 2009, 11:04 AM
dlo914   Great work so far! Will definitely follow your...   Feb 18 2009, 12:46 PM
strawman   My hip replacement surgery went well, and I've...   Apr 26 2009, 09:41 PM
strawman   I knew there was a mess under the passenger side s...   Apr 26 2009, 10:30 PM
strawman   The forward/lower area of the passenger side quart...   Apr 26 2009, 10:48 PM
Zaney   Good to see you up and moving around, Geoff! ...   Apr 27 2009, 09:27 AM
strawman   Been a while since I last posted, but I've bee...   May 25 2009, 10:01 PM
strawman   I also decided to modify the coolant crossover pip...   May 25 2009, 10:37 PM
strawman   Still been plugging away... Below are some pics o...   Jun 3 2009, 11:36 PM
strawman   Tonite I also welded on the lower passenger side q...   Jun 3 2009, 11:55 PM
Gint   Awesome work! First up is a pic of the jack po...   Jun 4 2009, 07:34 AM
strawman   Awesome work! First up is a pic of the jack p...   Jun 4 2009, 06:42 PM
al weidman   Geoff, I have tried to find the "easy-grind...   Jun 5 2009, 12:34 AM
strawman   Geoff, I have tried to find the "easy-grind...   Jun 5 2009, 12:42 PM
charliew   I have never came across a brazed tube in a alumin...   Jun 5 2009, 02:13 PM
strawman   I have never came across a brazed tube in a alumi...   Jun 5 2009, 06:09 PM
charliew   You can put your hand on my sons sti after driving...   Jun 6 2009, 04:27 PM
strawman   You can put your hand on my sons sti after drivin...   Jun 7 2009, 08:49 PM
strawman   Had a chance to spend some more quality time with ...   Jun 7 2009, 08:55 PM
biosurfer1   Get anything good at the swap meet?   Jun 7 2009, 08:59 PM
strawman   Get anything good at the swap meet? As stated a...   Jun 7 2009, 09:13 PM
strawman   Both lower corners of my windshield are crusty. I ...   Jun 7 2009, 09:10 PM
biosurfer1   I couldn't make it but Justin (didn't he g...   Jun 7 2009, 09:31 PM
charliew   Strawman I don't know how much studying you...   Jun 8 2009, 09:11 AM
strawman   Over the past few weeks, I've been cleaning up...   Jul 20 2009, 11:44 PM
strawman   Next up is the engine cradle, built out of 1...   Jul 21 2009, 12:17 AM
strawman   I haven't posted in a while, but I've been...   Aug 24 2009, 01:43 PM
strawman   Here are some pics of the suspension stuff I picke...   Sep 3 2009, 10:56 PM
strawman   A little update... I welded on the front sway bar...   Sep 12 2009, 10:44 PM
strawman   Okay, so I just got another cocktail, and thought ...   Sep 12 2009, 11:08 PM
strawman   And here are a couple of pics of the main and mid ...   Sep 12 2009, 11:12 PM
charliew   I like the engine cradle it's similiar to Tony...   Sep 17 2009, 11:14 PM
strawman   <snip> ... Since you are not changing the r...   Sep 18 2009, 07:33 PM
strawman   Are you going to expect the pinion depth to remai...   Sep 21 2009, 02:16 PM
charliew   I'm sorry Geoff, by early I meant the 99 and e...   Sep 22 2009, 07:54 AM
strawman   So I finished up the installation of the OBX limit...   Sep 23 2009, 11:12 PM
strawman   Now that the transmission is ready to go, I starte...   Sep 23 2009, 11:32 PM
strawman   I finally got around to finishing the rear trunk r...   Oct 22 2009, 01:12 AM
JazonJJordan   Awesome work and rustoration! Thanks for docum...   Oct 22 2009, 10:20 AM
Justinp71   Looking good!   Oct 22 2009, 10:30 AM
charliew   Geoff great pictures, I guess you decided 1.5 notc...   Oct 22 2009, 11:48 AM
strawman   ... I didn't get how you measured side to sid...   Oct 22 2009, 12:04 PM
strawman   Finally took some pics of my modified trailing arm...   Oct 24 2009, 12:35 AM
DBCooper   Extremely well done. You're knocking out thin...   Oct 24 2009, 05:49 AM
al weidman   Geoff, just reviewed the thread so I can remember ...   Oct 30 2009, 11:55 PM
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