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> My 914 won't turn over.
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post May 27 2008, 05:58 PM
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OOPS I did it wrong, It's turning over just fine. It has to be the ignition switch. Damn I was hoping it was the soleniod.
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post May 27 2008, 06:14 PM
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Ok

Red + Yellow.... I get the car to turn over

Red + other wire..... The starter just spins, which it's supposed to do.

Use the key and nothing. I have power to the ignition because all my dash lights work, radio works, wipers works, lights etc. I started the car using the screwdriver.

Based on these facts it HAS TO BE the ignition switch right!
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post May 27 2008, 06:20 PM
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Jeff,
No, doesn't have to be the ignition switch. Could be any connection between the ignition switch and the starter solenoid. The large yellow wire runs thru the relay panel , driver's side engine compartment , and then down to the starter. Also there is a seat belt relay involved in some of the cars that could be causing your problem. If it has been intermittent, I would guess ignition or bad contact in the run somewhere between ignition sw. and starter solenoid.
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post May 27 2008, 06:21 PM
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Based on these facts it HAS TO BE the ignition switch right!


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Yep! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Edit: It could be a broken wire but it did start when jumped so it is more likely the switch!
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post May 27 2008, 06:24 PM
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I agree with Tom. Good answer.

However, I don't think the '73 cars had the seatbelt relay. Also remembering the "turn it hard" bit.... I'll bet another beer it's a cracked ignition switch! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post May 27 2008, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(Tom @ May 27 2008, 04:20 PM) *

Jeff,
No, doesn't have to be the ignition switch. Could be any connection between the ignition switch and the starter solenoid. The large yellow wire runs thru the relay panel , driver's side engine compartment , and then down to the starter. Also there is a seat belt relay involved in some of the cars that could be causing your problem. If it has been intermittent, I would guess ignition or bad contact in the run somewhere between ignition sw. and starter solenoid.
Tom


I checked the yellow wire on the relay panel....seems to be OK. It then seems to head back to the fuse panel (drivers side under dash) and connect to another relay. I'll take a look at this, wonder if that relay could be screwed?
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post May 27 2008, 06:46 PM
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Hi Jeff,

I just did the ignition switch replacement..it was cheap and easy!...(okay no wife jokes there!!) and if i can do it...it must be a no brainer!!!

good luck and welcome aboard
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post May 27 2008, 06:52 PM
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Is it possible to bypass that relay using a wire with 2 male ends.

Or maybe I should stop delaying the invitable and take apart the ignition switch.

If you just changed the ignition switch, you must be able to give me some valuable pointers and tips :-)
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post May 27 2008, 07:00 PM
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I followed the article from "Pelican Parts" tech forum...it had pictures and all!...Google...click the link and away you go!

http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9...tion_switch.htm
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post May 27 2008, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(yellow914 @ May 27 2008, 04:46 PM) *

Hi Jeff,

I just did the ignition switch replacement..it was cheap and easy!...(okay no wife jokes there!!) and if i can do it...it must be a no brainer!!!

good luck and welcome aboard


Where did u get the switch from? Pelican?

I really do appreciate all the advice and help you guys are offering. Forums are an amazing tool!!!

HA HA I was too slow
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post May 27 2008, 07:05 PM
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Yep! Pelican is pretty good, I think it was about $12.00 is memory serves me??

I'm a newbie here too and a newbie to 914's....these guys (and girls) are great!
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post May 27 2008, 07:06 PM
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1.) Push and rotate horn pad approx 40 degrees and remove

2.) 27mm ? socket & breaker bar .... remove steering wheel (mark it for reinstallation)

3.) 4 screws to remover turn sig/wiper switch assembly (leave screws in assy) ... pull gently far enough out to expose two screws holding ignition switch assy in place. To far and connectors will pull off back and windshield wiper hoses will break (prolly will anyway ... who uses the windshield washer anyway?)

4.) Remove 2 screws that hold ign switch cover

5.) Reach up under dash and pull connector off back of ign tumbler

6.) Pull ign tumbler/switch assy out of steering column

7.) Remove itsy bitsy tiny screw near end of ign tumbler assy

8.) Pull plastic ign switch out of housing

9.) Replacement is reverse order.

**HInts .... remove drivers' seat so you can lay on your back ... helpful when you try to plug harness back into switch.

Also, have key in ign switch turned to on (disconnect battery before anything) other wise you may have trouble getting ign tumbler assy out.

Should be a thread on this site somewhere.

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post May 27 2008, 07:10 PM
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mine would not crank over either.

tested solenoid connection from key - no power : ((

be careful not to run your self over with the car - long volt meter wires are the best.

i ended up jump starting it just to hear it run.

jim


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post May 27 2008, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(jeffff @ May 27 2008, 05:52 PM) *

Is it possible to bypass that relay using a wire with 2 male ends.

Or maybe I should stop delaying the invitable and take apart the ignition switch.

If you just changed the ignition switch, you must be able to give me some valuable pointers and tips :-)


Jeff,

I told you hours ago that it was the ignition switch. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) You literally could have changed it by now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) It costs less than the shipping I think...

It is pretty straight forward... You need to pull the negative battery cable. Pull the plug out of the back of the ignition switch. Remove the plastic part I mentioned hours ago. One or two screws if I recall correctly. Replace it with the new one and reassemble.
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post May 28 2008, 12:34 AM
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then clean the terminals and clamps on the battery. happy motoring.
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post May 28 2008, 12:31 PM
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Just ordered the part, $7.25 and $20 shipping to Canada. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Gonna have to wait a 1-2 weeks as well. Sounds like it's a pretty straight forward install, I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for all your help, greatly appreciated (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)

Take it easy,

Jeff
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post May 28 2008, 06:43 PM
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wow! $20.00 bucks to ship a pary that could fit in an envelope?
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post May 28 2008, 08:52 PM
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yep - cross border - we get nailed with some pretty nasty brokerage fees from the couriers - even USPS/Canada Post can be nasty. Goes both ways though. Mailed a book to the US last week and it cost $20.
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post Jun 12 2008, 06:08 PM
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Bloody Hell.

I received the new switch a few days ago, just put it in today. Everything went smoothly except for the most important "thing". The new switch didn't fix my problem. Arrrgggghhhh
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post Jun 12 2008, 07:45 PM
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Well now you have to play the game of follow the yellow wire.

at the rear of the relay board, 12 pin connector, pin 6 (right side, 3rd from front) Check for your 12 volts there.

If nothing there try the 16 pin connector, pin 1 (right side front)
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