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| jeffff |
 Jun 13 2008, 05:06 PM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 27-May 08 From: canada Member No.: 9,107 Region Association: None  |
The yellow wire goes from the starter to the relay board (drivers side, engine comp)then goes to the fuses (drivers side, underneath dash) then up to the steering column, right?
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| Tom |
Jun 13 2008, 05:16 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
Jeffff,
While you are checking the yellow wire, make sure the connectors , lugs or pins , are good and clean. You have an intermittent problem, often caused by bad contacts. I'm sure it has been mentioned, but check that ground strap from the body and transmission. It can get pretty nasty with dirt and oil build up. Tom |
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| Gint |
Jun 19 2008, 06:41 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,083 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
This car running yet?
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| jeffff |
Jun 21 2008, 01:48 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 27-May 08 From: canada Member No.: 9,107 Region Association: None |
NO it's not, thanks for asking.
I haven't spent that much time on it mainly because I've been busy and also because I was choked that the new switch didn't fix my problem. Is it possible that the "new" switch is bad? It's a pretty straight forward install, I don't see how I coulda screwed it up. It's has to be something simple. I'll check the yellow wire to the fuse panel and to the relay box. Hopefully it's just a loose connection. |
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| Tom |
Jun 23 2008, 10:01 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
Jefff,
Try this, Pull the yellow wire off of the starter and hook one lead from the meter to meter to it and the other lead to ground. Try to start , did you see 12 volts at the yellow wire you just removed? YES- solenoid or starter is bad, I vote solenoid. You indicated that jumping would start the car. If it is NO - then you are losing the 12 volts to operate the solenoid somewhere between the lug connection where the yellow wire hooks to the solenoid and the ignition switch. Closely check every connection- some may be covered with heat shrink. You will have to look under this to see if in fact the wire is actually still firmly connected to the lug or connector. The relay panel may be the culprit also. Take it one step at a time and find where you are losing the 12 volts, then you can repair it. 1- spade terminal on yellow wire at starter, 2- relay panel 12 pin connector at rear of relay panel 3- 16 pin connector on front of relay panel 4- keep working your way up to the ignition switch. Good luck troubleshooting, Tom |
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| jeffff |
Jun 26 2008, 05:12 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 27-May 08 From: canada Member No.: 9,107 Region Association: None |
I got it running, I just cleaned up a few connections, seemed to work.
Just before I ran into this problem I installed a new battery. My old one was 850 cca (cold cranking amps) my new one 550!! Do you guys think that the old battery having more "juice" was masking the problem? kinda makes sense!! |
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| Tom |
Jun 26 2008, 05:24 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,139 Joined: 21-August 05 From: Port Orchard, WA 98367 Member No.: 4,626 Region Association: None |
No, the battery was not too strong. Probably just bad connections as you indicated you found some and cleaned them up. Could have been the battery terminals also.
Just for others who run into this problem, which connections were dirty? Tom |
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| kerensky |
Jun 26 2008, 05:46 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 531 Joined: 1-February 06 From: Norman, OK Member No.: 5,508 Region Association: Southwest Region |
For anyone dealing with general gremlins like this, a good step is to check out your ground straps and negative battery cable. Seems like anytime I start getting weird running problems on an older car (not just 'teeners) it always comes down to poor connections.
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| Gint |
Jun 26 2008, 09:13 PM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,083 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
QUOTE(Tom @ Jun 26 2008, 04:24 PM)  No, the battery was not too strong. Probably just bad connections as you indicated you found some and cleaned them up. Could have been the battery terminals also. Just for others who run into this problem, which connections were dirty? Tom I just bought a new battery (550 CCA to replace a 450 CCA) because I had the same symptoms you had. Which is why I bumped the thread and asked if the car was running yet. I could start the car with a remote switch, roll start it, jumpstart it, 13.5 VDC at the battery when the car was running. When I shut it down the last time and measured the battery voltage it was 11.2 VDC. Off to the auto parts store I went. The battery also tested bad on their tester. Running like a champ again. |
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| jeffff |
Jun 30 2008, 01:01 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: 27-May 08 From: canada Member No.: 9,107 Region Association: None |
I cleaned everything. The 12 pin connector, 16 pin connnector (relay box), and terminal at the starter etc. Unfortunately I don't know exatly which piece was the culprit.
ALTHOUGH........over the past few days I've run into the same problem. It ALWAYS starts, just sometimes I have to turn the key on/off a few times. I'll clean the connections better over the coming days. |
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| ericread |
Jun 30 2008, 01:25 PM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
You done good! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
It doesn't matter which wire was causing the problem, because until you cleaned all of these connectors, each one of them WOULD have been a problem in the future. Clean up the electrical problems now and you will enjoy your 914 much more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| wobbletop |
Jul 17 2009, 01:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 382 Joined: 8-December 06 From: Ontario, Canada Member No.: 7,335 Region Association: Canada |
Bump (pun intended?)
The wife was getting tired of push starting the car (think Little Miss Sunshine). After some debugging: Shorting the solenoid to the starter worked. Testing of the relay worked. Decided to take out the ignition switch to check it... pain in the butt. Ignition switch is fine but took the time to clean up some wiring under the dash. Turns out to be a broken wire at the large connector in the engine bay at the drivers side firewall. (I didn't know that connector was there before this). Hopefully this helps somebody. |
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