VW Type 1 into 914, What are your thoughts? Options

[james2]

I have a 2332cc Type 1 engine. It dyno'd at 210 hp and 200 ft-lbs of torque on jake Raby's dyno.

Would I be viewed as a total hack if i put this in a 914?

[grantsfo]

I'd love to see it. I wish more people would go down this path and get setup that would work. There are so many more resources for T1's. I have a great resource for T1's builds .....no more megabuck T4's.

[VaccaRabite]

No, I don't think that you would be a hack.

Do it, post up picks, and let us knwo how it drives.

Zach

[Chris Hamilton]

The type I has FAR more research and development put into high performance applications. I'd love to put them into my porsches, but the local porsche club says that would relegate me to running in the "non-porsche" class at the autocross.

[Jake Raby]

James, You should do it..
The biggest challenge will be cooling it, since the TI has 26% less cooling surface area than that of the TIV and the 914 is typically 600 pounds heavier than a beetle with much taller gearing.. With these 3 negative aspects, not even the DTM you have from me on that engine will be adequate, more than likely..

Twin plugs will help... The first production twin plug TIs are leaving Heaven in about 3 weeks :-)

[james2]

well, I know the type 4 is better engine, it has the ability to shed more heat, and also has a superior long block.

The type 4 is a Zippo, and the type 1 is a BIC.

The advantage to the type 1 is it's cheap HP. I could use this engine until i built a proper type 4. Unlike other engine conversion, it would be completely reversible.

The other advantage is i have it on hand, sitting unused and it's double the hp of the stocker.

I don't think the type 1 could replace the type 4 in terms of reliability or longevity.

I'd love to see it. I wish more people would go down this path and get setup that would work. There are so many more resources for T1's. I have a great resource for T1's builds .....no more megabuck T4's.

[Jake Raby]

Do it... I can help you convert the clutch arrangement to function correctly.

Let me drive it. I bet I can break it before I get off the road in front of the shop :-)

[Cap'n Krusty]

My thoughts? I cannot tell a lie. I think it's a dumb idea, and it's gonna cost a lot more time and effort than it's worth. The Cap'n

[grantsfo]

The type I has FAR more research and development put into high performance applications. I'd love to put them into my porsches, but the local porsche club says that would relegate me to running in the "non-porsche" class at the autocross.

So run in fun class? The guys who AX buggies down at Marina go through a motor about every two years, but they are only spending about $1500 to rebuld them. And these are crazy drag motors! Their cars do 12's and high 11's in the quarter mile. Think about that compared to cost of typical big bore T4. We have joked about putting a T1 in my car, but now that I think of it. ...hmmmm

And scary thing is even I can rebuild a T1.

I'm thinking about talking to buggy guys to see what we might do. I'd love to be renegade T1 914.

So curious what is definition of a Porsche engine? How is rabbit rod motor considered Porsche motor? How are modified heads that arent factory considered Porsche?

[james2]

LOL, thanks!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

My thoughts? I cannot tell a lie. I think it's a dumb idea, and it's gonna cost a lot more time and effort than it's worth. The Cap'n

[DBCooper]

The first production twin plug TIs are leaving Heaven in about 3 weeks :-)

"...leaving Heaven..."

Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Are you talking about Georgia?

[Chris Hamilton]

So run in fun class? The guys who AX buggies down at Marina go through a motor about every two years, but they are only spending about $1500 to rebuld them. And these are crazy drag motors! Their cars do 12's and high 11's in the quarter mile. Think about that compared to cost of typical big bore T4. We have joked about putting a T1 in my car, but now that I think of it. ...hmmmm

And scary thing is even I can rebuild a T1.

I'm thinking about talking to buggy guys to see what we might do. I'd love to be renegade T1 914.

So curious what is definition of a Porsche engine? How is rabbit rod motor considered Porsche motor? How are modified heads that arent factory considered Porsche?

If you want to build power with a type I and have it last, talk to http://autocraftengines.com/

They've won a lot of races with their engines over the years.

[Jake Raby]

The first production twin plug TIs are leaving Heaven in about 3 weeks :-)

"...leaving Heaven..."

Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Are you talking about Georgia?

As in Aircooled Heaven, AKA RAT.

We have been supplying a ton of TI production engines for the folks at Beck for their Speedsters and Spyders.. These twin plug engines are going into their cars, making 160 HP from 1914cc.

A lightweight 550 replica doesn't need a mondo reliable TIV, they don't see 5K miles in 10 years most of the time.

[gregrobbins]

A lightweight 550 replica doesn't need a mondo reliable TIV, they don't see 5K miles in 10 years most of the time.

Jake, how are you dealing with the heat issue in the 550? I imagine they are only 1500 lbs or so, still I would guess cooling the motor is important.

[dw914er]

The type I has FAR more research and development put into high performance applications. I'd love to put them into my porsches, but the local porsche club says that would relegate me to running in the "non-porsche" class at the autocross.

So run in fun class? The guys who AX buggies down at Marina go through a motor about every two years, but they are only spending about $1500 to rebuld them. And these are crazy drag motors! Their cars do 12's and high 11's in the quarter mile. Think about that compared to cost of typical big bore T4. We have joked about putting a T1 in my car, but now that I think of it. ...hmmmm

And scary thing is even I can rebuild a T1.

I'm thinking about talking to buggy guys to see what we might do. I'd love to be renegade T1 914.

So curious what is definition of a Porsche engine? How is rabbit rod motor considered Porsche motor? How are modified heads that arent factory considered Porsche?

Ive also seen a 9 second fiat with a T4

I personally wouldnt want to see a Beetle motor in a 914 (the 914 has had enough self esteem issues already), but if you have the motor already built, it would just be some modifications to get it to fit, so I guess It wouldnt be that bad to do

If you do it, post some pics of the conversion

[dw914er]

The type I has FAR more research and development put into high performance applications. I'd love to put them into my porsches, but the local porsche club says that would relegate me to running in the "non-porsche" class at the autocross.

So run in fun class? The guys who AX buggies down at Marina go through a motor about every two years, but they are only spending about $1500 to rebuld them. And these are crazy drag motors! Their cars do 12's and high 11's in the quarter mile. Think about that compared to cost of typical big bore T4. We have joked about putting a T1 in my car, but now that I think of it. ...hmmmm

And scary thing is even I can rebuild a T1.

I'm thinking about talking to buggy guys to see what we might do. I'd love to be renegade T1 914.

So curious what is definition of a Porsche engine? How is rabbit rod motor considered Porsche motor? How are modified heads that arent factory considered Porsche?

Ive also seen a 9 second fiat with a T4

I personally wouldnt want to see a Beetle motor in a 914 (the 914 has had enough self esteem issues already), but if you have the motor already built, it would just be some modifications to get it to fit, so I guess It wouldnt be that bad to do

If you do it, post some pics of the conversion

[Chris Hamilton]

James, You should do it..
he biggest challenge will be cooling it, since the TI has 26% less cooling surface area than that of the TIV and the 914 is typically 600 pounds heavier than a beetle with much taller gearing.. With these 3 negative aspects, not even the DTM you have from me on that engine will be adequate, more than likely..

Twin plugs will help... The first production twin plug TIs are leaving Heaven in about 3 weeks :-)

Have you ever used the heads made by claudes buggies?

[DBCooper]

The first production twin plug TIs are leaving Heaven in about 3 weeks :-)

"...leaving Heaven..."

Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Are you talking about Georgia?

As in Aircooled Heaven, AKA RAT.

Oh no. "Aircooled Heaven", where you're in charge...

Tell me it ain't so, Jake. We didn't think good things about that guy who thought you had a God complex.... now it turns out... oh my...

[Jake Raby]

The first production twin plug TIs are leaving Heaven in about 3 weeks :-)

"...leaving Heaven..."

Huh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Are you talking about Georgia?

As in Aircooled Heaven, AKA RAT.

Oh no. "Aircooled Heaven", where you're in charge...

Tell me it ain't so, Jake. We didn't think good things about that guy who thought you had a God complex.... now it turns out... oh my...

FWIW- A customer of mine named the shop that when he visited in 1999.. With the shop sitting atop a huge chunk of Granite it kinda fits.

The Owner is typically in charge, correct? I pay the taxes on that chunk of ground and sign the paychecks, so you bet I am in charge.

[Dave_Darling]

So curious what is definition of a Porsche engine? How is rabbit rod motor considered Porsche motor? How are modified heads that arent factory considered Porsche?

Crankcase and transmission case were originally delivered in Porsche-badged vehicles. I think that's how the local PCA figures it.

--DD