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rick 918-S |
Jan 29 2004, 07:23 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,493 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
QUOTE(Jeroen @ Jan 29 2004, 05:21 PM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Jan 30 2004, 12:17 AM) So, on that thought, who / where would I need to go... Am I talking to my self here??? cheers, Jeroen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) You really want us to tell you where to go??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif) |
brant |
Jan 30 2004, 10:22 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,639 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
no... not just talking to yourself
brant |
r_towle |
Jan 30 2004, 03:33 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,588 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
The main purpose of this upgrade is to fix a poor design.
The rear of the torsion bar needs to have movement in order for the adjuster to not bind... This creates a wiggle issue that can be eliminated by a simple coil over kit. The kit does not need to cost as much as they do...they are just heim joints and some brackets... seems like it could be designed for less than what I see the prices out there .... I do not like the fit of the adjusters....I have tried about eight different adjuster ends and two bars and they are all loose. And this is not for an autocross car, just a nice clean overpowered scary converted street car... Just want a tight front end with ZERO play, like a new car has.... R |
Mueller |
Jan 30 2004, 05:11 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
QUOTE I have tried about eight different adjuster ends and two bars and they are all loose. once you have the car on the ground and loaded, nothing should be loose...you've got other issues if you have play in your suspension you do not need a Hiem joint front end for coil-overs, RSR style front housing are all you need.....Paragon sells a kit to convert the front struts to coil-overs, very similar in design to the rear coil-over kit |
brant |
Jan 30 2004, 05:13 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,639 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Rich,
are you experiencing wiggle on the actual adjuster cap which fits on the splined bar..... or is it the adjuster screw (which screws into the cap). b |
r_towle |
Jan 30 2004, 08:32 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,588 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
The adjuster cap that the screw fits into rely's upon fitting inside the crossmember bar in a cylindrical portion on the end of the bar....the other side is where the bushing/bearing goes in...
Jack up the car, get the weight of (like when in a hard turn) and shake it....you too have the same wiggle...it gets transfered to the steering wheel... Poor design. If you tighten up that area, like welding the inside of that cylindrical portion, it will get to tight and not move like it needs to... Too loose and you get wiggle... Try measuring a few of the torsion bar end caps...the outer diameter....quite a bit of difference. The are cast, so no welding to build them up. |
Jeroen |
Jan 30 2004, 08:50 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Basically the only reasons to convert to coilovers is if the biggest t-bar doesn't give you enough spring rate or if you need to be able to change springs fast/easily
Neither apply to a streetcar IMHO If you go to a coilover setup up front, you need to reinforce the top mounts on the chassis There should be no play in a t-bar type front suspension. If there is, some parts are worn I don't think the 935-style front a-arms are intented for street use either and would be overkill as well cheers, Jeroen |
Jeroen |
Jan 30 2004, 09:02 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
The adjustercap doesn't contact the x-member anywhere, so it's outer diameter isn't important
The only way you could have play on the a-arms is if your bushings are worn or if the front mount isn't bolted up correctly (it has to be slid back as far and tight as possible (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) ) cheers, Jeroen |
r_towle |
Jan 30 2004, 09:07 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,588 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
I beg to differ...
The adjuster cap holds the weight of the front of the car on not only on the adjuster screw, but on the side of the cap. Bushings are fine, but they only ensure the A-arm is solid and secure,,,really the weight sits on the adjuster cap. |
Mueller |
Jan 30 2004, 09:23 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
only if you get the car airborne so that no weight is on the front suspension will the caps be "loose", even then, they are not going to be causing any trouble....
i was going to make special plastic inserts that fit between the torsion bar and the inside of the a-arm to limit the movement you are describing, but was told it'll make no real world differance |
Jeroen |
Jan 30 2004, 09:26 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Ok... lets approach this differently
If you leave the adjuster cap off completely, do you have any play on the a-arm? How is the play? Front to rear, left to right? cheers, Jeroen |
Mueller |
Jan 30 2004, 09:37 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None |
I'm betting no....which still means he is worring about nothing IMHO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I got to get back out to the shop, I still need to finish my display for Dunkels (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) |
Jeroen |
Jan 30 2004, 09:42 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Have fun at Dunkle's...
Say hi to Brad, Rich, Andy and who ever shows up there cheers, Jeroen |
r_towle |
Jan 31 2004, 10:34 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,588 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
ok,
I will describe my problem.... New cleaned and lubed 23mm torsion bars (last year) New bushings, second set with grease fittings etc... Old tie rods, but they are fine, nothing is loose there. Weltmeister sway bar (this might be the problem....dont know) When I turn really hard into a corner in autocross or on the road, the inner front tire lifts, not off the ground, but there is no weight there (yes 180lbs rear springs) It clunks... I jacked up the front of the car to simulate the condition, the only thing that is loose is the adjuster cap.... There is no play on the bushings. No play in the ball joint or bearings. No play in the steering rack or tie rods. Again 23mm front bars, 180 lb rear springs Bilsteins all around Weltmeister sway bar up front Wheres the clunk???? Rich |
J P Stein |
Jan 31 2004, 11:19 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
If you lift the inside tire off the ground, the cap may indeed go "clunk". No harm, no foul.
On all of my AX passes around our lumpy venue, there is more crashin' & bangin' going on than one can imagine. I have no rubber (or polywhatever) in my suspenders. As to the pictured A arms. Nice, but a outmoded/cheep design taken to extreme. MacPherson strut suspensions are.....sucky.....I know, it's what we got. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I shouda started out with a Lotus 7 (or copy). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) BTW, here's a pic (rerun) when I was using 180lb Welt springs (progressive PsOS). & 21 mm T bars. It don't do that with 200 lb nonpro. springs. I'm still going to 225 or 250s, tho. Too much push. Attached image(s) |
J P Stein |
Jan 31 2004, 11:30 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
Here's a bump.
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Bruce Allert |
Feb 1 2004, 12:23 AM
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Hellions asleep Group: Members Posts: 3,289 Joined: 19-March 03 From: Eagle Creek, Orygun Member No.: 441 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Man! that's good camera work! Oh! and great drivin' too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)
..........b (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
J P Stein |
Feb 1 2004, 12:34 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
You'll have to get more shots this next season.
I'm wearing out my welcome with these reruns. Since you couldn't make it to the AX meating( a freudian slip...all that sausage pizza, I guess...urp) today, we made you responsible for everything.....and photography, of course. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) |
Bruce Allert |
Feb 1 2004, 01:10 AM
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Hellions asleep Group: Members Posts: 3,289 Joined: 19-March 03 From: Eagle Creek, Orygun Member No.: 441 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Ahhh, good! the one that doesn't attend gets it all, I know how that goes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (and I was always the last one picked for any team sports too) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
We had garlic chicken pizza tonight. Gotta find someone to breath on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) .........b |
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