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| 749142 |
 Sep 15 2008, 12:23 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 8-January 08 From: Bakersfield, Ca Member No.: 8,545  |
im considering flaring my 914 but my dad gave me my teener and he is totally against the idea becuase he says it will lower the resale value of the car which well doesnt matter to me cuz i will never sell it, but does adding the flares detract from the value of the car?
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| Todd Enlund |
Sep 15 2008, 12:45 AM
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Resident Photoshop Guru Group: Members Posts: 3,251 Joined: 24-August 07 From: Laurelhurst (Portland), Oregon Member No.: 8,032 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(749142 @ Sep 14 2008, 10:23 PM)  im considering flaring my 914 but my dad gave me my teener and he is totally against the idea becuase he says it will lower the resale value of the car which well doesnt matter to me cuz i will never sell it, but does adding the flares detract from the value of the car? If it's a nice, clean, original car, then yes, flares will detract from the value. If it's a basket case that you are hot rodding, then I think it depends more on the buyer that you find. Steel will be worth more than glass. If you don't ever sell the car, then the point is moot. But, there are a lot of other things that you should spend money on before you flare it... and flares are going to cost more than just the flares. You'll need wider wheels/tires, and along with that will probably be a five lug conversion. You'll need paint too. It can get out of hand really fast... I have steel flares on the way for my car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
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| Wilhelm |
Sep 15 2008, 12:48 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 408 Joined: 7-September 07 From: Hooterville, OR Member No.: 8,088 Region Association: None |
Kind of depends. If you put fiberglass flares on it I think the value will go down. If you put on steel flares and do a good job and have a good paint job then the value goes up. The problem is steels flare will set you back $650.00, a paint job will cost $100.00 for home done rustoleum, $1000 for home done automotive paint or 5-10k for bodywork and paint if you farm it out. You may get your money back for your improvements at sale time if the car is otherwise sound. Putting all that aside, we do what we do to our cars to please ourself. If you want flares, a ginourmaus wing, fancy wheels, mudflaps, lambo doors, turbo corvair motor, then do it!
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| tronporsche |
Sep 15 2008, 01:30 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 281 Joined: 21-August 08 From: California Member No.: 9,447 Region Association: Central California |
Look at it this way, if you are willing to except a "loss" at sell time, than go for it. Not to say that you will Lose, but at least it won't be a shock to you if it happens, but maybe it won't happen. Todd is definitaly rite though, it gets expensive real, real ,real ,real, real ,real ,real, real, fast. Ask me how i know. Go ahead, ask.
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| WRX914 |
Sep 15 2008, 03:19 PM
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2.5 WRX STI hybrid powered beast Group: Members Posts: 782 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 2,771 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Steel flares and enjoy the people staring at your Fiat!
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| Twise |
Sep 15 2008, 04:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 20-September 06 From: SoCal - Temecula Member No.: 6,881 Region Association: Southern California |
Flares did not lower the resale of my car...
1974 1.8 = $5000.00 maybe $6000.00 1974 - GT Conversion - Flares, 2.2 Six and some paint. = $35000.00 plus. Real steel flares will not decrease the value of your car. That is just crazy talk... I would not flare an original six. Other than that, its open season... And as far as looking like a fiat??? WTF is that all about? I would really like you to show me the fiat my car resembles. |
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| Twise |
Sep 15 2008, 05:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 20-September 06 From: SoCal - Temecula Member No.: 6,881 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(WRX914 @ Sep 15 2008, 02:19 PM) Steel flares and enjoy the people staring at your Fiat! Like they aren't staring at your un-flared SUBARU.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) |
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| 749142 |
Sep 15 2008, 05:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 8-January 08 From: Bakersfield, Ca Member No.: 8,545 |
. Todd is definitaly rite though, it gets expensive real, real ,real ,real, real ,real ,real, real, fast. Ask me how i know. Go ahead, ask.
[/quote] ok just for kicks how do you know? im guessing experience |
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| 749142 |
Sep 15 2008, 05:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 8-January 08 From: Bakersfield, Ca Member No.: 8,545 |
ok maybe full on flaring is too expensive and too big a project for me right now. and maybe not my style. i do like the looks but dont know if i could used to full on flares. ive seen pictures through google image searches of a couple 914s that had widened fenders but they werent gt flares, they must have been a custom job because they were more subtle than the gt flares but served the same purpose and im just curious if anyone here knows how to do that. id like to run wider and taller tires without rubbing and full on flares and this seems like the way to go. so has anyone done this here or do you guys know what im talking about. any info would help thanks
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| r_towle |
Sep 15 2008, 05:56 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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First off, my father was wrong and my boys always thinks I am wrong.
What is different in your situation? Pick a tire size and wheel you like then ask what is needed to make it fit. A hammer and dolly can get these fender out pretty damn far with no welding...just hammer and dolly work...about $19.99 in tools and alot of time...plus paint. Rich |
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| jd74914 |
Sep 15 2008, 06:42 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(749142 @ Sep 15 2008, 06:48 PM) ok maybe full on flaring is too expensive and too big a project for me right now. and maybe not my style. i do like the looks but dont know if i could used to full on flares. ive seen pictures through google image searches of a couple 914s that had widened fenders but they werent gt flares, they must have been a custom job because they were more subtle than the gt flares but served the same purpose and im just curious if anyone here knows how to do that. id like to run wider and taller tires without rubbing and full on flares and this seems like the way to go. so has anyone done this here or do you guys know what im talking about. any info would help thanks I cut my fenders and added a metal strip at the top. I attached a picture of the start of the process. After the cutting you need to fill in the open spaces and work the metal to make the fender look like you want. There are many different ways to pull the fenders like this and all result in a slightly different look. Mine look bigger from the top and back, but don't bow out as much as those on some other people's cars do. It is a ton of work. I have done it on 2 cars now and while I knew where to start on the second one it still took a ton of time and a ton of work to get the quarters looking like I wanted them. Rich is right; my dad is always wrong too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Ironically he now likes the subtlety flared look better than stock. He pushed my brother to flare his car too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) These two cars should be able to fit correctly offset 8" wheels under them which is as much as we'll ever need here. I would buy the wheels you want/can afford and make them fit with a hammer. It'll probably be faster. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) BTW: The paint on the yellow car ran $750. It is pricey stuff. Its the "little" things like that add up quickly. The cutting (car #1) #2 was cut a bit more for an even gentler blend from the front. These flares really can only be seen from the back or top, and you need to know the car.  The start to the welding. This part takes forever. This was before the entire quarter got stripped. This car had tons of dents and dings which took a ton of time to pound out as well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)  In the finishing stage (car #2)  A final painted picture (car #1)  In any case, have fun. |
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| Racer |
Sep 15 2008, 08:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 787 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Northern Virginia Member No.: 1,073 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Are you wanting flares for the cosmetics or wanting flares because you have 200+hp and there is no way to put the power down with only 205 width tires? As others have mentioned, adding flares is not just one step, but often one part of many more steps. While I would be very suprised to see you still with the car in question in 10 years, a "done well" flaring on a non concours car will not hurt its value.
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| 749142 |
Sep 15 2008, 09:26 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 8-January 08 From: Bakersfield, Ca Member No.: 8,545 |
well most likely ill still have the car in in 10 15 or 20 years thats the plan anyways i love my car its sorta my gradutation gift from my father when i graduate high school. and ive come to far with this car to sell it now. right now as it is it probably will never be a concours car,thats not my style or plan. it has some dings and dents. and for some reason about 90% are on the left rear quarter panel. i dont have 200+ hp so right now it would be for cosmectic purposes. however i plan to put in something with a little more balls in the future. but in any case it would have more traction if i got wider tires, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) thanks for all the help, guys, i need it in some areas, since im only 17, ill be 18 in jan. but for the tech stuff and machanical stuff i just go to my dad but hes not the greatest of helps when it comes to helping my modify my car. hes a concours guy, to the very core.
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| Spoke |
Sep 15 2008, 09:40 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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There is always the BFH option...
Original fenders pounded out with hammer and dolly. I have 225x50x15 on 8 inch wheels on the back with room to spare. The rounded look really enhances the car's overall lines. Eventually I will do the same thing with the front fenders. For now, my 205x50x15 on 7 inch wheels fit just nicely. Attached image(s)       
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| GeorgeRud |
Sep 15 2008, 09:44 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Don't spend money on the flares, go to a driving school and build up your skills. With time, you can add power, wheels, flares, etc. to your heart's content.
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| 749142 |
Sep 15 2008, 10:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 8-January 08 From: Bakersfield, Ca Member No.: 8,545 |
i like your flare job spoke, but forgive me for being stupid but when you say dolly are you talking about a hand truck or something else?
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| LarryR |
Sep 15 2008, 10:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 929 Joined: 15-March 07 From: E. Bay Area, N. California Member No.: 7,604 |
I am partial to flares ... I like them with and without but here is the inspiration for my current project :
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| LarryR |
Sep 15 2008, 10:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 929 Joined: 15-March 07 From: E. Bay Area, N. California Member No.: 7,604 |
QUOTE(749142 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:04 PM) i like your flare job spoke, but forgive me for being stupid but when you say dolly are you talking about a hand truck or something else? Hammer and dollly are body man tools. dolly is like a mini anvil with curves. You strike the dolly with the hammer to persuade the metal. I am no body man but thats my best shot at a definition off the cuff. |
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| 749142 |
Sep 15 2008, 10:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 8-January 08 From: Bakersfield, Ca Member No.: 8,545 |
QUOTE(LarryR @ Sep 15 2008, 08:26 PM) QUOTE(749142 @ Sep 15 2008, 09:04 PM) i like your flare job spoke, but forgive me for being stupid but when you say dolly are you talking about a hand truck or something else? Hammer and dollly are body man tools. dolly is like a mini anvil with curves. You strike the dolly with the hammer to persuade the metal. I am no body man but thats my best shot at a definition off the cuff. ahh i got it. and holy crap that black car is sweet. i am partial to black 914s. |
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| balljoint |
Sep 15 2008, 10:43 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,000 Joined: 6-April 04 Member No.: 1,897 Region Association: None |
Honour thy father. Leave your current car as is, but pick up a roller and flare away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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