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| JWest |
 Mar 27 2003, 04:33 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 1,662 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 97 Region Association: None 
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You see, Andy, whether or not there are hidden agendas, government conspiracies, aliens from outer space, or whatever, the reality of this war is that US people are putting their butts on the line (literally) for someone else.
Other nations (two come to mind right way) can not comprehend the mentality of US people. We will sacrifice for the good of others. But you would not understand... Also, you better do some leg stretches to prepare yourself for your foot entering your mouth when the oil money stays in Iraq. The US does not work that way. If we did, Honda, Porsche and (gee, I can't think of anything profitable from France) would have been products of the USA for the last 50 years. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) |
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| JWest |
Mar 27 2003, 04:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,662 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 97 Region Association: None
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QUOTE sounds good, actually. but why ignoring the UN and the rest of the world? Because the countries that are blocking have economic agendas (GREED) in front of human interests. |
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| URY914 |
Mar 27 2003, 04:35 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 121,001 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
I have never voted for anyone in the UN.
It's called looking out for #1. And when you are #1, you do what is right for you. It may not be PC, but it is how we go to be the world power we are now. |
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| Brad Roberts |
Mar 27 2003, 04:39 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
The UN is a bunch of washed up politicians with nothing left to do in their own government. What exactly do they do ?? They sit around and hold meetings and WISH things to get better. When do we take action ?? Why sit on our ass and do nothing ??
Andy, How is it we are ignoring the rest of the world ?? GB/Aus/Spain and many others agreed. Just for fun: I would like to know what Russia/France/Germany do for other countries ?? I'm probably wrong... but I'm not seeing them coming to the aid of ANY country. B |
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| Brad Roberts |
Mar 27 2003, 04:46 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
I'm happy we have people like Andy around. Otherwise this would get boring with one sided views.
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| vortrex |
Mar 27 2003, 04:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 24-December 02 From: SF, CA Member No.: 4 Region Association: None |
I love it when US residents support saddam and his actions more than that of bush. haha...screwed up people in this world.
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| jonwatts |
Mar 27 2003, 04:52 PM
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no rules, just wrong Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,321 Joined: 13-January 03 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 141  |
Chistopher Walken on Saturday Night Live as French president Jaque Chirac... "We do not oppose the war because we are Pro-Saddam; we oppose the war to be, how do you say, douche bag."
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| SirAndy |
Mar 27 2003, 04:55 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,673 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(James Adams @ Mar 27 2003, 02:33 PM) We will sacrifice for the good of others. Other nations can not comprehend the mentality of US people. you are fucking hilarious man. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) if it wasn't for all those "saintly" americans the whole world would still be in the dark ages, right? you get a double (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) for this ... who do you think you are? Mother Theresa ???? |
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| vortrex |
Mar 27 2003, 04:58 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 24-December 02 From: SF, CA Member No.: 4 Region Association: None |
I think andy would have a much different view of things if he were iraqi and living in baghdad. then we'd see posts about the US not doing enough for him. LOL.
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| jonwatts |
Mar 27 2003, 04:58 PM
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no rules, just wrong Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,321 Joined: 13-January 03 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 141 |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 27 2003, 02:55 PM) if it wasn't for all those "saintly" americans the whole world would still be in the dark ages, right? No, but we'd all be speaking German now. |
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| SirAndy |
Mar 27 2003, 04:59 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,673 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(vortrex @ Mar 27 2003, 02:50 PM) I love it when US residents support saddam and his actions more than that of bush. haha...screwed up people in this world. and i love it when people can't even read (and understand) a post. i do NOT support saddam or any of his actions. i am as disgusted by him, his regime and everything else he has done as everybody else here. and i am also disgusted by a american president that ignores the UN and international law in favor his own personal agenda ... got that? |
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| vortrex |
Mar 27 2003, 05:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,687 Joined: 24-December 02 From: SF, CA Member No.: 4 Region Association: None |
where in my post did I mention your name? can you read?
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| SirAndy |
Mar 27 2003, 05:04 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,673 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(jonwatts @ Mar 27 2003, 02:58 PM) No, but we'd all be speaking German now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) (damm, can i have that smily BIGGER?) the US didn't give a damm shit about the 2nd world war and any of the suffering in europe until the japanese attacked pearl harbour. if your interest would really be "humanitarian" why didn't the US join the war against germany much, much earlier? i tell you why. because there was nothing to gain from doing so. only after being attacked themselfs they decided to go to war. "humanitarian"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) fucking hypocritical .... |
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| SirAndy |
Mar 27 2003, 05:05 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,673 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(vortrex @ Mar 27 2003, 03:03 PM) where in my post did I mention your name? can you read? who else would you be talking to? i'm the only one here .... |
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| SirAndy |
Mar 27 2003, 05:09 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,673 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(vortrex @ Mar 27 2003, 02:58 PM) I think andy would have a much different view of things if he were iraqi and living in baghdad. then we'd see posts about the US not doing enough for him. LOL. yeah, and you would have a much different view of things if you had been growing up in europe. so what? i'm not in iraq and neither are you. what's your point? because i'm not iraqi, i either have to love your war or must remain silent? i don't get it ... |
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| SirAndy |
Mar 27 2003, 05:19 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,673 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(URY914 @ Mar 27 2003, 02:35 PM) I have never voted for anyone in the UN. It's called looking out for #1. And when you are #1, you do what is right for you. It may not be PC, but it is how we go to be the world power we are now. so, you think because america is #1 you can just go around and invade other countries whenever you feel like it? sure, it's not PC, but hey, we're #1, so what? makes actually sense then that everybody here seems to think the UN is useless. because the UN was founded to prevent a single country to do excatly that! UN = United Nations. does that ring a bell? if you're above international law you're a THREAT to the rest of the free world! (and yes, there is more "free world" than just the US) |
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| jonwatts |
Mar 27 2003, 05:39 PM
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no rules, just wrong Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,321 Joined: 13-January 03 From: San Jose, CA Member No.: 141 |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 27 2003, 03:19 PM) if you're above international law you're a THREAT to the rest of the free world! (and yes, there is more "free world" than just the US) This is a really good point. The Euro is the first step towards a united Europe. We need to keep those countries fighting with each other for a few more decades before they can be a threat to us. We should start small by annexing most of Canada and Mexico, then move on from there. |
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| SirAndy |
Mar 27 2003, 05:45 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,673 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(James Adams @ Mar 27 2003, 02:33 PM) The US does not work that way. If we did, Honda, Porsche and (gee, I can't think of anything profitable from France) would have been products of the USA for the last 50 years. hmmmm, you didn't do your homework very well. let's see, just a few of the things that the US took with them when they left germany. (wait, they never really left, they are still there). what about that moon rocket you guys are so proud of? a modfied german V2... and the engineers who built it? german "imports"... the atomic bomb? guess who had the plans for that? another german "import" ... you guys were one of four that won WWII, nothing wrong with taking what you can get. again, i'm happy we lost WWII because the alternative would have been much, much worse. anyone who fought against the nazis has my gratitude, but don't give me that "The US does not work that way" BS ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) |
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| mskala |
Mar 27 2003, 05:46 PM
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OK, I hope I can put some words together without beating up on anybody in
particular. First, you are not anti-American to be against the war. There are of course many ways to solve a problem, and only the people in charge get to decide which way they want to use. Like it or not, that is how governments work. True pacifists are dufuses, though. If you don't fight for your own interests then don't complain when you are darwinized out of existence. Second, there seems to be a huge number of protesters and complainers who think the war is over oil. That's silly, you call me when the US is over there pumping oil into our tankers for free and bringing it here. Like we took Kuwait's oil? Or how Reagan nuked Russia for all it's oil? There is always some polical motives behind major actions by presidents, but this is about perceived security and not driving Suburbans. Third, there is no breaking of international law by finishing what was already decided by the UN. The last war 'ended' by Iraq agreeing to certain things, which even the UN knows and officially stated were not done. Fourth, I think one reason most other countries are not interested in helping the US is because the terrorist threats are generally against American interests rather than other western countries. That does NOT affect the validity of the threats to the US, that just shows who's really an ally or a fair-weather friend. Fifth, if you want to protest, go right ahead, that's an american thing to do. But if you break laws by blocking the streets or otherwise causing police to have to arrest you, I hope they fine you back to the stone age, because at least in the east, where cities had record snow removal costs, big security bills, and low revenues because of state of the economy, I don't need dumbasses making a 'statement' by giving us huge extra police costs. Normally I wouldn't bother with politics on boards, but what can I say I'm not employed and have a bit of extra time right now. Mark S. '70 914-6 |
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| Bleyseng |
Mar 27 2003, 05:53 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,035 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I don't like the fact that Politics in the UN was stopping action against Saddam for years. I still would have prefered if the UN had united to throw him out. Now we have other countries looking at the US as a big bully and will band together against us however they can... That is the big Foreign Policy mistake here, we can't fight the whole world! I think that if Bush had approched the UN another way than "My way or the highway" it would have worked out fine. Wars are fought for economic reasons not just because its right. Andy is right, the US would have never entered WW2 if we hadn't been attacked by Japan. Why did Japan attack us in the first place? Hmmm, we turned off their oil supply!
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