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> Easy 5-Lug Conversion - 911 Running Gear, For High Power Applications...
Eric_Shea
post Jan 22 2009, 09:23 PM
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First, hats off to Paul (our previous cover-boy and Excellence darling) for turning the bulb on. We were chatting one day about CV's and such and he said something to the effect of; "just get the right length axles and be done with it."

Well duh.

Just get the right length axles and be done with it. No adapters. No extra bolts. No machining, no issues. Just get the right length axles and be done with it. It had a nice ring to it.

I was on a mission. The mission began with a post to get the proper 914 axle length - 20.25" (thanks Ron). Then the 911 spline count - 28. Then a call to Sway-a-Way... yup, part number 2420 in stock. MSRP - $305.00 Not bad, not bad at all for a pair of custom length axles. http://www.swayaway.com/OffRoadRacing.php

I want to make this harder than it is but honestly gang... it's that simple. Simply get the entire early 911 running gear and insert the proper length axle and you're done. Well, there are a few steps so let's see just what that gear is. From stem to stern it goes like this...

From a pre1974 911:

* 911 Rear Wheel Hub
* 911 Stub Axles
* Entire 911 Axle Assembly w/CV's
* 911 Tranny Flanges (901, 911 or early 915 transmissions)

I had the hubs, I grabbed the axles off a buy Reid made (Lavanaut, thanks!) and I picked up some flanges on eBay or PP (can't remember, getting old before your eyes). All I needed were those axles. All it took was money. While I waited for the axles I got started on the disassembly.

Dusty dirty axles... one of the messiest jobs:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675907.jpg)

Using an air wrench... bolts coming out:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675899.jpg)

Here's you'll see my method for stub axle removal. A BFH and a cold chisel. Be careful to position the cold chisel on the "gasket" between the CV and the stub axle to avoid cranking on the metal bits:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675929.jpg)

They're here. Shiny new axles:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675956.jpg)

The right length too. You can see the difference when compared to the 911 units:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675941.jpg)

The threesome. Short = 911. The loaded shaft is a 914 shaft:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232675995.jpg)

I want to emphasize the difference because you simply can't run 911 axles in a 914 (for very long). People have bolted them up but, they hyper extend the CV's and they're gonners in a short while.

Remember all that dirty stuff in the first pics? Well, I make a weekly run to the platers so, my rewards are as follows:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676018.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676029.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676039.jpg)

Speaking of dirty stuff, the CV's needed to be totally disassembled and cleaned. To do this I stuck them in a gallon of that Gunk Carb Cleaner for a week. This is the best way to loosen hardened, caked on grease. When they came out it still took a couple rolls of shop towels to get them cleaned up. Once everything was cleaned it was assembly time. Not too tough really:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676161.jpg)

Start by fitting the inner race into the cage:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676177.jpg)

Then pop the balls in one by one:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676188.jpg)

Then drop the inner assembly into the CV. Simply match up the fat notch on the inside race with the skinny notch on the outside race to line up the path for the balls:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676221.jpg)

Then tilt it back and drop it in:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676247.jpg)

You may have to do a bit of rotating to make it easier but it's fairly straight forward:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676259.jpg)

Ready for the lube:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676320.jpg)

I start by putting the nozzle of the grease tube in the inner ball slots and filling away:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676342.jpg)

Inside started:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676427.jpg)

Then I do the outside the same way:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676380.jpg)

Flip them over and repeat. You do have latex gloves don't you? Once they are loaded you have to massage them by hand to work the grease throughout the joint. TAKE YOUR TIME and get the grease thoroughly into the CV. Notice the Moly-Lube? I use an entire tube for each CV. It's the good stuff.

Now the fun part... bolting it all back together. Here the CV's have new boots and freshly plated top plates:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676292.jpg)

Next the CV's get installed and clipped into place. Once the plates are in place it's time for new boot clips:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676443.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676459.jpg)

New bolts are made ready with new Schnorr washers:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676474.jpg)

...and a new CV gasket is mated to the CV awaiting the stub axle to be bolted on:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676506.jpg)

A quick referrence to the "good book" and let the torquing commence:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676864.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676520.jpg)

And we're done:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-1110-1232676926.jpg)

911 hubs go in the control arms. These shiny stub axles go into the hubs. The shiny nuts get torqued down and the other end gets a gasket and is bolted up to the transmission flanges.

Virtually bullet proof 911 CV's and a complete 5-lug conversion now reside under your 914.
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Eric_Shea   Easy 5-Lug Conversion - 911 Running Gear   Jan 22 2009, 09:23 PM
Mark Henry   Paul in re-reading the exchange, my answers, I see...   Feb 15 2016, 04:31 PM
Mark Henry   I seem to think there was a spacer, but honestly i...   Feb 17 2016, 09:53 AM
mepstein   I think people had the spacers made. I don't b...   Feb 17 2016, 10:00 AM
mgp4591   I think people had the spacers made. I don't ...   Feb 17 2016, 01:12 PM
mepstein   I mean when you use 69-73 911 parts.   Feb 17 2016, 01:33 PM
tomeric914   Hmm, the stubs I'm using came from a '71. ...   Feb 18 2016, 11:36 AM
Justinp71   Fyi, you can use 911 axles if you use the adapters...   Feb 17 2016, 01:56 PM
mgp4591   Fyi, you can use 911 axles if you use the adapter...   Feb 17 2016, 03:23 PM
Mark Henry   Fyi, you can use 911 axles if you use the adapter...   Feb 18 2016, 11:47 AM
6freak   I see frosty balls in the first few pictures ..tho...   Feb 18 2016, 12:12 PM
Mark Henry   I see frosty balls in the first few pictures ..th...   Feb 18 2016, 12:43 PM
6freak   Pardon me the proper term is Etching...around he...   Feb 18 2016, 02:58 PM
6freak   I mentioned it a few years back about the condinsa...   Feb 18 2016, 03:19 PM
Mark Henry   Did you get it that I was joking about frosted bal...   Feb 18 2016, 03:36 PM
6freak   Did you get it that I was joking about frosted ba...   Feb 18 2016, 04:00 PM
tomeric914   Hang on a second though, I don't think this is...   Feb 20 2016, 01:15 PM
Cupomeat   That sucks. And tough to get in there to grind som...   Feb 21 2016, 12:00 PM
tomeric914   For clarification, the 31 ft-lb torque spec in Eri...   Mar 2 2016, 08:12 AM
thenewgarage   I have a few questions in regards to building this...   Nov 30 2016, 08:33 AM
Mark Henry   In other words... Buy a new set of 911 108mm a...   Dec 2 2016, 07:29 PM
thenewgarage   OK I will hold out to find a set of flanges that a...   Dec 2 2016, 08:57 PM
mepstein   Better luck finding that part on pelican than here...   Dec 2 2016, 09:36 PM
Mark Henry   Better luck finding that part on pelican than her...   Dec 2 2016, 09:47 PM
mepstein   Better luck finding that part on pelican than he...   Dec 3 2016, 08:33 AM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2429769' date='Dec...   Dec 3 2016, 11:57 AM
Steve   Looks good to me. You might want to call up PMB a...   Nov 30 2016, 10:20 AM
thenewgarage   Thank you Steve! Another quick question...sou...   Dec 2 2016, 08:32 AM
Harpo   I have 110mm on my car. Works just fine and I got ...   Dec 2 2016, 07:13 PM
Steve   72 was the first year for the 915 gear box. You w...   Dec 2 2016, 07:21 PM
Mark Henry   Just checked my stock, no strap even, just the rub...   Dec 3 2016, 12:09 PM
mepstein   Do you mean these? They sell for around $20   Dec 3 2016, 12:56 PM
bradtho   I've read this thread many times over the past...   Jan 8 2017, 03:52 PM
mepstein   Eric can correct me if I'm wrong but since the...   Jan 8 2017, 04:05 PM
Steve   Eric can correct me if I'm wrong but since th...   Jan 8 2017, 07:06 PM
bradtho   That's what I'm running on my car. Thin ...   Jan 8 2017, 08:52 PM
Steve   That's what I'm running on my car. Thin...   Jan 8 2017, 09:58 PM
914Sixer   I am going to run 911 SC stub axles, they are 100m...   Jan 8 2017, 08:23 PM
KTL   Just to add more fuel to the fire, has anyone seen...   Jan 12 2017, 10:45 AM
jd74914   Just to add more fuel to the fire, has anyone see...   Jan 12 2017, 11:49 AM
KTL   Never seen them on a non-open wheel. This isn...   Jan 12 2017, 02:17 PM
bradtho   I thought I'd follow up on my own question for...   Jan 22 2017, 10:09 PM
colingreene   Just checked my stock, no strap even, just the ru...   May 21 2017, 06:12 PM
ManuFromParis   It looks like swayaway is un reachable... https://...   Aug 4 2020, 09:58 AM
Boydyrs   So I’m a new to all things 914 and looking go 5 ...   Mar 23 2023, 02:26 AM
live free & drive   Maybe you are looking for an adaptor like this: h...   Mar 23 2023, 08:52 AM
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