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| show15 |
 Feb 3 2009, 09:59 AM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 3-February 09 From: orlando, fl Member No.: 10,017 Region Association: South East States  |
Hey. My name is Mike and im new here. Im only 17 but love cars and working on them. My dad owns a Porsche 914-4 1.8 and i want this car so bad but im about to go to college and he is saying if i dont have it running in 2 months hes going to sell it. This used to be my grandfathers and i would love to keep it in the family. it was fuel injected but my dad put a weber 32/36 dfav on it. its been sitting for about a year or so and when i try to start it it doesnt even make a sound. the lights go out when the key is turned to the start position and the stereo will stop. i wanna test the starter to see if thats the problem but i cant because i cant find it. can someone help me and tell me where the starter is?
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| Johny Blackstain |
Feb 3 2009, 10:02 AM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region 
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Upper left side of the tranny, under the rear trunk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png)
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| JoeSharp |
Feb 3 2009, 10:07 AM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
Hey Mike, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Yaeh what he said.
The starter is a problem at times. If it's not getting enough voltage it won't do it's job. There is a way to put in a relay in between the ignition wire and the starter that supplies proper voltage to it. But first you need to know that that is the prooblem. Take a screwdriver (not a good one) and cross it between the ignition wire and the positive wire on the starter to jump the conection and that should make the starete turn over. Make sure the car is out of gear. oh and check the ground wires and the positive side on the battery |
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| show15 |
Feb 3 2009, 10:08 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 3-February 09 From: orlando, fl Member No.: 10,017 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Johny Blackstain @ Feb 3 2009, 11:02 AM) thanks. to test it do i have to do anything special? or can i just tap the positive and negative together witha screwdriver and see if it does anything? |
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| show15 |
Feb 3 2009, 10:10 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 3-February 09 From: orlando, fl Member No.: 10,017 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Joe Sharp @ Feb 3 2009, 11:07 AM) Hey Mike, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Yaeh what he said. The starter is a problem at times. If it's not getting enough voltage it won't do it's job. There is a way to put in a relay in between the ignition wire and the starter that supplies proper voltage to it. But first you need to know that that is the prooblem. Take a screwdriver (not a good one) and cross it between the ignition wire and the positive wire on the starter to jump the conection and that should make the starete turn over. Make sure the car is out of gear. oh and check the ground wires and the positive side on the battery Does the ignition wire look any different or anything? |
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| Phoenix-MN |
Feb 3 2009, 10:31 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 927 Joined: 23-January 04 From: ST. Bonifacius,MN Member No.: 1,590 |
QUOTE(show15 @ Feb 3 2009, 07:59 AM) Hey. My name is Mike and im new here. Im only 17 but love cars and working on them. My dad owns a Porsche 914-4 1.8 and i want this car so bad but im about to go to college and he is saying if i dont have it running in 2 months hes going to sell it. This used to be my grandfathers and i would love to keep it in the family. it was fuel injected but my dad put a weber 32/36 dfav on it. its been sitting for about a year or so and when i try to start it it doesnt even make a sound. the lights go out when the key is turned to the start position and the stereo will stop. i wanna test the starter to see if thats the problem but i cant because i cant find it. can someone help me and tell me where the starter is? Read his original post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Sounds like bad/weak battery or bad connection. Start by making sure the battery is charged and good, and the cables/connections are good. |
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| ericread |
Feb 3 2009, 10:42 AM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) with all of the above.
First of all, BE CAREFUL. Don't weld yourself to the starter and don't let the car run you over. Using a multimeter, check the battery voltage at the + and - poles of the battery. If it reads under 12 volts then charge the battery before going further. If you have a voltage meter in your car, please note that it is for entertainment purposes only. Rely only on your multimeter. When is the last time the engine was running? If it's been any length of time, check the oil and having a friend assist, place the car in gear and rock it forward and backwards making sure the engine is moving freely (don't try this on a hill, your car can easily get away from you...) Check back here often and post pictures of anything you have questions about. The folks on this site are your friends, and they will go to great extents to assist. Good luck!!! Eric Read |
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| JoeSharp |
Feb 3 2009, 10:56 AM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
If you can still see the color of the wire it is yellow. It is a bayonet type conection. Oh and there is a ground wire strap above the tranny that sometimes causes problems.
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| Johny Blackstain |
Feb 3 2009, 11:03 AM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(Phoenix-MN @ Feb 3 2009, 11:31 AM) Read his original post (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Sounds like bad/weak battery or bad connection. Start by making sure the battery is charged and good, and the cables/connections are good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
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| McMark |
Feb 3 2009, 11:26 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Check battery voltage.
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| Todd Enlund |
Feb 3 2009, 11:45 AM
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Resident Photoshop Guru Group: Members Posts: 3,251 Joined: 24-August 07 From: Laurelhurst (Portland), Oregon Member No.: 8,032 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Ground strap on the tranny?
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| JoeSharp |
Feb 3 2009, 12:13 PM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(Todd Enlund @ Feb 3 2009, 09:45 AM) Ground strap on the tranny? Yeah Todd, most people don't find it until they are pulling the tranny. It's usaly the last thing that they disconect. |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Feb 3 2009, 03:28 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,719 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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Don't cut a hole in the trunk floor! I've had two cars here in the past year, where some bozo hacked a hole in the trunk floor to get to the starter.
Get a Haynes manual. It's not going to make you a mechanic, but it will help you find stuff. |
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| ericread |
Feb 3 2009, 09:58 PM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(9146986 @ Feb 3 2009, 01:28 PM) Don't cut a hole in the trunk floor! I've had two cars here in the past year, where some bozo hacked a hole in the trunk floor to get to the starter. Get a Haynes manual. It's not going to make you a mechanic, but it will help you find stuff. There's really no reason to cut the trunk floor. If you jack up the rear end, there's plenty of room to get to the starter. It's not even a tight fit. Eric |
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| McMark |
Feb 4 2009, 11:44 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Don't cut the floor, learn something. Porsche/VW isn't STUPID enough to make the starter inaccessible. There's plenty of room.
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| RJMII |
Feb 4 2009, 12:26 PM
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Jim McIntosh Group: Members Posts: 3,125 Joined: 11-September 07 From: Sandy, Utah Member No.: 8,112 Region Association: None |
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I agree, check the ground strap on the transmission, the battery terminals, battery voltage, etc. look for the easy stuff first. =o) Baking soda and a pocket knife clean up battery terminals nicely. |
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| Spoke |
Feb 4 2009, 12:47 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None
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Good luck trying to keep the car in the family. You have very good intentions. As others have mentioned, charge the battery first for several hours.
If after checking electrical connections as everyone mentioned and you still cannot get the starter to work, you could always get some of your buddies to push start the car just to see if it runs. Push starting can be dangerous so just be careful. Push it with the clutch in in 3rd gaar or so, then pop the clutch with key on and pump the gas. This will at least get it started (if it starts) so your Dad will agree to let you keep the car. If you live on a hill, just make sure your buds can push the car back up the hill if it won't start...Duh. Keep in mind that a +30 year old 914 is not necessarily a dependable car especially if it has been sitting a long time. It may take a good amount of work to get it into reliable condition. Welcome to the madness. |
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| show15 |
Feb 4 2009, 10:39 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 3-February 09 From: orlando, fl Member No.: 10,017 Region Association: South East States |
i found the starter and its pretty rusted. it looks like it could be the original. i took it to advanced auto and got it tested and its dead. im waiting for my tax money to replace the starter. after i get it replaced ill see what the next problem is. i know it needs a new throttle cable. so ill probably buy it at the same time. thanks for the help by the way
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| ericread |
Feb 4 2009, 11:15 PM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(show15 @ Feb 4 2009, 08:39 PM) i found the starter and its pretty rusted. it looks like it could be the original. i took it to advanced auto and got it tested and its dead. im waiting for my tax money to replace the starter. after i get it replaced ill see what the next problem is. i know it needs a new throttle cable. so ill probably buy it at the same time. thanks for the help by the way Before you spend a sizeable amount on a new starter, you still don't know what other problems there still might be. Just an idea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Post a WTB message in the "Classified" forum for a working used starter. You might just get one cheap that will work for now, and allow you to continue your troubleshooting. Eric |
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| show15 |
Feb 5 2009, 11:49 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 3-February 09 From: orlando, fl Member No.: 10,017 Region Association: South East States |
its only like 40 bucks but ill try that and see what i get. thanks
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