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post Jun 19 2009, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(charliew @ Jun 19 2009, 01:00 PM) *

Sounds like the folks that don't use the scrap deal should get a 4500 tax break so things would even up. Course when was life ever fair?

Maybe next they'll give us 4500 to spend 20k on a solar energy package at the house.


Basically if you have a car worth more than $3500 - $4500, or can't afford to finance a new car, the only benefit is the good feeling that your tax dollars went to help someone less fortunate, or opportunistic with a cheap working car that applies.

Here's more official word:

BREAK-DOWN OF CASH FOR CLUNKERS PLAN:
Vehicle must have an MSRP of $45,000 or less
Only one voucher per customer
Excludes leases under 5 years
Effective July 1, 2009 – November 1, 2009
The National Highway Transportation and Safety Administration (NHTSA) has 30 days from enactment to specify rules and requirements

Passenger Car Light-Duty Truck Large Light-Duty Truck
(6,000-8,500lbs.) Work Truck
(8,500-10,000lbs.)
Minimum Fuel Economy
for New Vehicle 22 MPG
(EPA Combined) 18 MPG
(EPA Combined) 15 MPG
(EPA Combined) No Requirement

$3,500 Voucher Mileage improvement of at least 4 MPG Mileage improvement of at least 2 MPG Mileage improvement of at least 1 MPG or trade-in of Work Truck Trade-in must be pre-2001 M.Y.
$4,500 Voucher Mileage improvement of at least 10 MPG Mileage improvement of at least 5 MPG Mileage improvement of at least 2 MPG
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:12 PM
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Thats all 80 % of my tax dollars ever did was to help mostly those more fortunate than me or those smart enough to live off the system.
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(charliew @ Jun 19 2009, 12:12 PM) *

or those smart enough to live off the system.


I know a few people that live "off the system", and trust me they're neither smart nor is their lifestyle anything like i would want my life to look like.

Maybe i missed the memo, but i thought the whole premise of collecting taxes from me was to use the money to help everybody else.

I'm not sure i understand why you think your taxes should be spent on yourself. Kind of defeats the point, doesn't it?
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:36 PM
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Back on topic, (pre-censor) is anyone going to do this?
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 19 2009, 03:30 PM) *

QUOTE(charliew @ Jun 19 2009, 12:12 PM) *

or those smart enough to live off the system.


I know a few people that live "off the system", and trust me they're neither smart nor is their lifestyle anything like i would want my life to look like.

Maybe i missed the memo, but i thought the whole premise of collecting taxes from me was to use the money to help everybody else.

I'm not sure i understand why you think your taxes should be spent on yourself. Kind of defeats the point, doesn't it?
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) well said andy.
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:38 PM
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Back on topic, (pre-censor) is anyone going to do this?



only car I could trade in is a 10 year old civic... it still gets 32 mpg city, so I don't know what would be better... so, no, not me..
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:41 PM
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What is the Civic worth? You might be able to get $4500 towards a Prius...
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:45 PM
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It's been awhile since I ran across someone that spoke for what I think.
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:45 PM
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What is the Civic worth? You might be able to get $4500 towards a Prius...


yea, but then I'd have to drive a prius (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

the civic hasn't even got 80k miles on it... I'll keep driving it until my wife's CRV is paid off...
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post Jun 19 2009, 02:49 PM
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I would rather apply the 4500 to a electric 914 or type 3 but it would need more range than whats affordable now.

Also I didn't read the clunker rules but a friend told me it only applied to high density smog areas not the rural areas.
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post Jun 19 2009, 03:00 PM
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What is the Civic worth? You might be able to get $4500 towards a Prius...


yea, but then I'd have to drive a prius (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

the civic hasn't even got 80k miles on it... I'll keep driving it until my wife's CRV is paid off...


That's exactly the best option. Keep driving your hopefully paid off car.
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I would rather apply the 4500 to a electric 914 or type 3 but it would need more range than whats affordable now.

Also I didn't read the clunker rules but a friend told me it only applied to high density smog areas not the rural areas.


There's no restriction on rural areas.
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post Jun 19 2009, 03:07 PM
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Since politics have already been breached in this thread, I'm really gonna blow your mind now:


















Get ready...



















"GOD"


Now I've really done it. Politics and religion in the same thread!!!

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post Jun 19 2009, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(RobW @ Jun 19 2009, 04:00 PM) *

QUOTE(tat2dphreak @ Jun 19 2009, 01:45 PM) *

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What is the Civic worth? You might be able to get $4500 towards a Prius...


yea, but then I'd have to drive a prius (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

the civic hasn't even got 80k miles on it... I'll keep driving it until my wife's CRV is paid off...


That's exactly the best option. Keep driving your hopefully paid off car.



yep, it's been paid off for 6 years... low miles, still perfect interior... never had 1 problem...
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post Jun 19 2009, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(ericread @ Jun 19 2009, 02:07 PM) *

Since politics have already been breached in this thread, I'm really gonna blow your mind now:


















Get ready...



















"GOD"


Now I've really done it. Politics and religion in the same thread!!!

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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)


well done
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 19 2009, 01:30 PM) *

QUOTE(charliew @ Jun 19 2009, 12:12 PM) *

or those smart enough to live off the system.


I know a few people that live "off the system", and trust me they're neither smart nor is their lifestyle anything like i would want my life to look like.

Maybe i missed the memo, but i thought the whole premise of collecting taxes from me was to use the money to help everybody else.

I'm not sure i understand why you think your taxes should be spent on yourself. Kind of defeats the point, doesn't it?
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well said


I think the program is interesting. Provides an incentive to trade up to a more efficient car, and jump start the auto companies (which, probably might have been a better idea than bailouts themselves (don't give them money, but make it easier for people to actually buy them)). Who knows, this might actually make it reasonable to get a new car.

BTW, socialism isn't exactly very bad, itself. The ugly cousin, communism is. But for taxes, I think Andy said it best. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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post Jun 19 2009, 03:43 PM
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the whole socialism is bad for america arguement would hold water... except we already have 'socialist' programs that work and do good things... WIC, Welfare, Social Security... etc.

Canada has social healthcare too and from what I've heard, seems to work well... maybe not perfect, but not horrible either...
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the whole socialism is bad for america arguement would hold water... except we already have 'socialist' programs that work and do good things... WIC, Welfare, Social Security... etc.

Canada has social healthcare too and from what I've heard, seems to work well... maybe not perfect, but not horrible either...

agreed

the principle works to make sure there are less losers overall... no one gets too well off, and not as many people get raped... each scenario has its trade off's, and its a balancing act. but whatever, this is way off topic


i wonder if car sales will go up. There are now alot of incentives to buy cars, wonder if people will take the bait (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE(tat2dphreak @ Jun 19 2009, 01:43 PM) *

the whole socialism is bad for america arguement would hold water... except we already have 'socialist' programs that work and do good things... WIC, Welfare, Social Security... etc.

Canada has social healthcare too and from what I've heard, seems to work well... maybe not perfect, but not horrible either...



Some socialist ideas are great. But ya let one socialist idea in and they got 100 of their friends wanting in as well.


Am I reading that wrong or do you have to take out a 5 year loan to qualify. I have already decided I won't buy another car unless I have the cash. Might be hard because I want a car that cost 100 grand in 2 years but I hate to give banks my money.
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