 What did I do? Car wants to start when connecting battery! |
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| kpfoten |
 Jun 24 2009, 06:52 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 15-April 08 From: Escanaba, MI Member No.: 8,927 Region Association: None  |
Here's what happened: I pulled the connector to the circuit board in my '73 1.7L, then pulled the fuse and relays to check continuity. When I put everything back together, I connected the battery and the thing turns over! The key is not in the ignition. What did I do? Help! |
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| cwpeden |
Jun 24 2009, 07:31 PM
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Great White North, huh? Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-August 06 From: Victoria BC Member No.: 6,693 Region Association: Canada |
Sounds like you put one of the relays in wrong.
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| EdwardBlume |
Jun 24 2009, 07:43 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California 
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Clearly you are omitting a portion or two of the story where you jumped or potentially soiled yourself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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| kpfoten |
Jun 24 2009, 08:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 15-April 08 From: Escanaba, MI Member No.: 8,927 Region Association: None |
I was wearing dark britches.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
I thought the relays could only go in one way?? |
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| McMark |
Jun 24 2009, 08:27 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,180 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Check that the connector on the relay board is in correctly. You can get them one pin off.
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| tat2dphreak |
Jun 24 2009, 08:33 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region  |
QUOTE(RobW @ Jun 24 2009, 08:43 PM)  Clearly you are omitting a portion or two of the story where you jumped or potentially soiled yourself (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) I know I would have had to clean the garage and probably my wife's car... I bumped the starter once while under the car installing wires on the starter... that will wake you up! chek that the wire on your starter isn't frayed or something too... if there's a stray wire on the solenoid it could reach over to the ignition and 'hotwire' the car. |
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| kpfoten |
Jun 24 2009, 08:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 15-April 08 From: Escanaba, MI Member No.: 8,927 Region Association: None |
Well, I've pulled all relays and fuse on the circuit board and it is still doing it. When I pulled the main harness plug off, a small piece of plastic cracked on the harness plug (T14 connector?) near the #13 pin area. Could something be "jumping" between the two terminals (last two on the right)? |
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| kpfoten |
Jun 24 2009, 08:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 15-April 08 From: Escanaba, MI Member No.: 8,927 Region Association: None |
Yeah, that's what I thought initially--although seems to be lining up okay? I'll check again. QUOTE(McMark @ Jun 24 2009, 06:27 PM) Check that the connector on the relay board is in correctly. You can get them one pin off. |
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| McMark |
Jun 24 2009, 08:45 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,180 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
You didn't do anything with the wiring at the starter?
The starter wire is pin 1 at the forward connector on the relay board, pin 6 on the rearward connector on the relay board, and is also connected to both rearward FI connector pins. |
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| McMark |
Jun 24 2009, 08:48 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,180 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
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| kpfoten |
Jun 24 2009, 09:00 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 15-April 08 From: Escanaba, MI Member No.: 8,927 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the diagram--could I have reversed the FI connector? QUOTE(McMark @ Jun 24 2009, 06:48 PM) |
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| kpfoten |
Jun 26 2009, 01:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 15-April 08 From: Escanaba, MI Member No.: 8,927 Region Association: None |
BUMP Made sure things are hooked up correctly on the relay board.... What would make the starter stick "On?" when connecting the battery cables? Either a stuck ignition switch or starter solenoid? Any particular wires that could be crossed (hot-wired)? |
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| tat2dphreak |
Jun 26 2009, 01:49 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE Any particular wires that could be crossed (hot-wired)? the ones on the solenoid are the only ones I can think of... the big battery wire could short over to the trigger wire... do you have another starter you can try? |
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| kpfoten |
Jun 26 2009, 02:17 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 15-April 08 From: Escanaba, MI Member No.: 8,927 Region Association: None |
Doesn't seem to be the ignition switch (unplugged it). The only strange thing that I noticed was that the main power to the solenoid was touching the lower tab from the solenoid. I adjusted it so they weren't touching. I wonder if I fried something? It didn't make a difference... I don't have another starter. Can I just order a new solenoid? |
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| tat2dphreak |
Jun 26 2009, 02:50 PM
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stoya, stoya, stoya Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,797 Joined: 6-June 03 From: Wylie, TX Member No.: 792 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I dunno if you can buy them separate or not. you could probably buy a cheap used starter that works fine tho
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| RJMII |
Jun 26 2009, 02:54 PM
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Jim McIntosh Group: Members Posts: 3,125 Joined: 11-September 07 From: Sandy, Utah Member No.: 8,112 Region Association: None |
or you could bench test the starter... make sure that it IS the culprit before you replace it.
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Jun 26 2009, 04:22 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
How could anyone possibly think the relays or fuses on the board could have anything to do with this problem? The Cap'n
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| neil30076 |
Jun 26 2009, 05:34 PM
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Recovering dismantler! Group: Members Posts: 397 Joined: 12-September 06 From: San Diego ( RB) CA Member No.: 6,826 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Jun 26 2009, 03:22 PM) How could anyone possibly think the relays or fuses on the board could have anything to do with this problem? The Cap'n (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Mabe he should pull the yellow wire of the solenoid and see if it still starts - if so solenoid jammed in maybe ! |
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| McMark |
Jun 26 2009, 08:47 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,180 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Pull the yellow wire and see if the problem goes away.
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| kpfoten |
Jun 26 2009, 09:25 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 220 Joined: 15-April 08 From: Escanaba, MI Member No.: 8,927 Region Association: None |
Yeah, I was thinking of checking the yellow wire. Maybe banging on the solenoid too... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Thanks for the comment, Cap'n--I got a chuckle. |
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