F-You Colorado! more emission headaches, I may loose my registration Options

[newto914s]

With the help of some of the great Colorado 914 guys(notably Mike and Chris W) i got my car to pass the e-check. Read about it here.
I thought everything was fine and dandy. With my 5 year collector plates on it I never have to worry about emissions again(bring on the SBC).
But in Colorado they have these white child molester looking vans that sit on the highway entrance ramps. They use a laser to measure the emission of all the car entering. I drove by one and got a letter in the mail. Now I have to bring my car to a state inspector for another evaluation or my registration will be revoked and a $100 fine imposed. Their's no way I'm going to pass now, with no Cat an no smog pump.
The irony is my car runs better than it ever has. F-U CO

[Derek Seymour]

I have a CAT that will need a little fabrication to conect an EGR to (the tube out of cat is there but the mounting plate where the bolts attach is gone) and a SMOG pump that works but is very weak. I would let them go for a reasonable price.

[Gint]

Put it back together and take in in Samson. That does seriously suck though. I steer well clear of those vans when I'm in the 914. One of them is parked at 287 and 36 every day.

[jhadler]

waitaminute...

I thought the collector plates released you from emissions requirements?!?!

What's the deal?

-Josh2

[Gint]

Roadside sniffer... I'd heard that they would give you a fix it ticket of some sort if they sniffed you wrong.

Gotta head up the hill now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

[jhadler]

Okay, I just did a quick check on-line, and I don't see how the mobile emissions vans can do anything at all for older cars. It specifically states that the mobile vans are ONLY for cars 1982 and newer, and that all pre-82 cars must be checked annually at an aircare station.

And since pre-82 cars are idle-only specifications, there is no way that they can take your acceleration measurements to mean anything. That, and you already ahve collector plates (right?) which means you did your job to pass emissions and were allowed to register the car as a collector vehicle.

I'd hazard a guess that only one of two things made this happen...

1) The person operating the system (wherever that was) mistyped some information and the age and status of the car were not entered properly.

2) The really high HC readings flagged them to alert you. Thing is, there is nothing I've found so far that says they'd do that.

I think some phone calls are in order... Something doesn't seem right here...

-Josh2

[newto914s]

http://www.cdphe.state.co.us/ap/highpolluter.html
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I don't think I'm going to bother putting it back together. I'm assuming a trained member of the Colorado Department of health is going to have a book opened detailing all the required components of a 76 914. I hope I'm wrong. I'm going to change my MPS again and cross my fingers.

waitaminute...

I thought the collector plates released you from emissions requirements?!?!

What's the deal?

-Josh2

[mharrison]

It would seem that Cap & Trade has caught up with you. Buy some green credits and go on your way..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif)

[ArtechnikA]

I thought the collector plates released you from emissions requirements?!?!

Disclaimer: i donno nothin' 'bout Colorado...

But most collector plate requirements I am aware of exempt you from INSPECTIONS - not requirements, which are a Federal matter and do not change.

Just because you are not required to have periodic inspections does not relieve you from the responsibility of meeting the original REQUIREMENTS. Few places have had the technology to close that loophole. Looks like CO may be a pioneer. Oh boy.

[r_towle]

1/8 of a tank of gas.
4-6 bottles of fuel line de-icer...
Advance your timing a few degrees.
After the test, go immediately to a gas station and fill the tank.
Reset your timing to stock.

Rich

[newto914s]

1/8 of a tank of gas.
4-6 bottles of fuel line de-icer...
Advance your timing a few degrees.
After the test, go immediately to a gas station and fill the tank.
Reset your timing to stock.

Rich

Advance my timing? On the last thread I started about this topic most of the guys said to retard my timing a few degrees. Which is it?
Also I de-icer is basically alcohol right, I put a few gallons of E-85 last time on the recommendation of another.

[craig downs]

Bummer I thought California was the only ones that had the road side sniffers. I've seen a couple of them including a portable dyno tester on the side of the road with cars getting waved in.
I've seen them at the bottom of a clover leaf ramp and wondered if you get enough speed then coast through them with the engine off if that would work.

[GeorgeRud]

Isn't government great! Do you have a friend in another state where you can register the car? Years ago, people used to get Vermont plates to avoid paying sales tax on the car, but I don't know if you can get plates from them as well.

Here in Illinois, we don't have to bother with emissions for antique vehicles, so I'm exempt from testing, and so far, the green nazis haven't invaded!

[orthobiz]

I heard all about it at Scotty's tonite. I'm here from Michigan for the Parade.

Move to Michigan:
Lots of water for fishing.
No sun to crack your dash or fade your paint.
You only need to have the car out from May through October.
No front license plates.
No requirements for emissions, no sniffers, no inspections, no nothing!

I could use some more 914 friends at home!

Paul

[newto914s]

That's one of the many things that bother me about this situation, I could have registered it in Ohio. I have friends there, it's exempt there, but it passed on the last try and I thought I was good. Paid $200 to register for 5 years, now what's going to happen to that if it doesn't pass, or I pay a mechanic(that certainly will no nothing about 914s) to "fix" it, and once I reach the $715 mark I'm exempt again.
Anyone want a super solid(rust wise) 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[r_towle]

advancing timing makes the car run lean.
Ice shield is pure alcohol...4-5 bottles in very little fuel makes it close to pure alcohol.

E85 has alot of additives.
Brew your own.

Rich

[scottb]

register it out in elbert county!

when i lived there, there were no emissions requirements. now granted, that was about 7 years ago but it may still be the case.

if elbert county is now on emissions, go check out kiowa!

good luck...

scott

[Cap'n Krusty]

advancing timing makes the car run lean.
Ice shield is pure alcohol...4-5 bottles in very little fuel makes it close to pure alcohol.

E85 has alot of additives.
Brew your own.

Rich

"Lean"? I doubt it. What it does is make the HC readings go through the roof. BAD idea. It also increases the CH temps dramatically, so NOX readings go up, too.

The answers? First, get a pretest to determine what you have and what you have to correct. Then do the following:
In a near empty tank, add 1/2 tank of low octane fuel
Set the valves to .016"
Set the timing to precisely where it's supposed to be, or maybe a degree or 2 retarded (after making sure the retard function of the vacuum can works properly)
Set the idle speed to 1000 RPM

Get another pretest and report back to us for further advice.

The Cap'n

[EyeTrip]

advancing timing makes the car run lean.
Ice shield is pure alcohol...4-5 bottles in very little fuel makes it close to pure alcohol.

E85 has alot of additives.
Brew your own.

Rich

"Lean"? I doubt it. What it does is make the HC readings go through the roof. BAD idea. It also increases the CH temps dramatically, so NOX readings go up, too.

The answers? First, get a pretest to determine what you have and what you have to correct. Then do the following:
In a near empty tank, add 1/2 tank of low octane fuel
Set the valves to .016"
Set the timing to precisely where it's supposed to be, or maybe a degree or 2 retarded (after making sure the retard function of the vacuum can works properly)
Set the idle speed to 1000 RPM

Get another pretest and report back to us for further advice.

The Cap'n

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He's on target.

[Gint]

That's one of the many things that bother me about this situation, I could have registered it in Ohio.

You could, but not legally. If you live and work in the state for 30 or 60 days (I don't remember which) you have to register your car in Colorado. They don't enforce it much, but I'm pretty damn sure there is a state statute.