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fasthonda
post Oct 6 2009, 05:28 AM
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How's the project going?


Progress has been slow. I would of had the engine mount finished by now, but I have changed my design during the fabrication process. I have decided to mount the engine using a six style firewall bulkhead mount instead of using the Type IV chassis mounting points. This will make for a much cleaner looking setup. I'm still waiting on my bulkhead mount from Maddog.

I did order one of those high torque mini starters which saves a little more weight and the shift linkage clears the oil pan with no problem.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Pictures to follow when get the engine mount finish.

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post Jan 9 2010, 01:09 PM
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post Jan 9 2010, 05:11 PM
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To wallys914,

I went thru your build thread. Awesome. After seeing your thread I came close to buying that tube bender and doing my own cage. Wish that bender came with a 6 inch die radius though.

Things are going slow and it's hard to see the finish line. I'm tempted to go in on the group buy for the steel GT flares, but I have more than enough to do as it is.

I completed fabing the engine mount, but I plan to stiffen the chassis before installing the engine. That's what I am currently working on. Instead of building a full cage, I plan to traingulate from the fire wall to the longitudnal and rear shock tower. No bends will be required and it will also minimize the weight added. I will post pictures when done.

Here is my engine mount setup.





I got the rear suspension and brakes assembled too. Also added early light weight doors. Now it is offically a roller again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Jan 10 2010, 08:49 AM
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Like your project. I have 3 conversion cars and am in Travelers Rest. I have all kinds of parts and have used several suppliers that are listed here. We talked once about a 915 tranny you had and sold. let me know if I can help.
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post Jan 28 2010, 08:24 PM
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Here is my design for stiffening the chassis in bending. I didn't want to invest in a full cage since the car will not be raced in competition. The goal was to stiffen the car with minimum added weight and keeping it safe. I didn't want any bars near my head. The bars also increase side impact protection, which is nice since I'm using early light weight doors. I'm still debating whether or not to add a harness bar tying the 2 sides together. The harness bar would be pass straight through the bulged part of the fire wall.
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a plate is welded on the interior side of the fire wall where the seat belt attaches.

The bars line up at the fire wall for strength and no bending was required.

w/o the engine in the car I measured .010 inch flex at the door when jacked up. Before the bars I measured .060 . I will recheck after the engines in.
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post Jan 28 2010, 09:17 PM
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There is a lot of flex in the front of the car. Not all of it is in the back.
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post Feb 18 2010, 08:49 AM
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This is a really cool build, looking forward to seeing more updates! Do you plan on bars in the front?
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post Feb 18 2010, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(fasthonda @ Jan 28 2010, 06:24 PM) *

The bars line up at the fire wall for strength and no bending was required.

Here's what we did for my cage. Obviously, it's a full cage, but i really like the sidebars.

The curve allows for easy getting in and out.
The front ties into the upper wheel well and front shock towers.

Ignore the thin bracing that we used during the welding ...
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post Feb 18 2010, 08:17 PM
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QUOTE(bam914 @ Jan 28 2010, 07:17 PM) *

There is a lot of flex in the front of the car. Not all of it is in the back.


Yes I need to add some bars going to the front shock towers. Wasn't in the original plan, but it is now.

Andy,

Your cage is very nice. Thanks for posting. Do you have bars going to the rear?

Due to the cold weather and the fact I have too many projects going at once progress has been very slow. I'm enjoying the process and not that anxious to finish quickly. I'm well ahead of my 3 year time line. I need it to warm up to finish painting the interior and engine bay before putting the powertrain back in.

I ended up gutting the doors and made my own aluminum door panels. I plan to place the battery up front and fabed up a battery tray.

For a radiator I plan on using a Honda dual core half size radiator. There is room enough to mount it vertical. I will shroud it out the bottom like an oil cooler. Cutting the wheel wells open doesn't appeal to me. Here's a few pictures.
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post Feb 18 2010, 08:44 PM
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Do you have bars going to the rear?

Not yet. At the time, i wasn't sure which clubs i would end up running with and most stockish classes don't allow you to tie the cage to the rear shock towers.

Now that i'm running in GT2/GTL, it doesn't matter anymore, i'm already waaaaay outclassed ...
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post Mar 12 2010, 06:24 PM
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For a radiator I plan on using a Honda dual core half size radiator. There is room enough to mount it vertical. I will shroud it out the bottom like an oil cooler. Cutting the wheel wells open doesn't appeal to me. Here's a few pictures.







This will work but keep in mind you need twice the size of your inlet in your outlet. Also you should shroud it 100%. Next under the car should be a low pressure area, Using louvers or a single lip to create a suction/ negative pressure at the outlet will help.

Let me know if you have any questions on it.
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post Mar 12 2010, 06:55 PM
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Love the bulkhead engine mount.

Man I would love to see the radiator in the engine bay! It looks like there's plenty of room to put it in there and build ducting to pull a lot of air through it with the right fans.
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post Mar 13 2010, 04:10 PM
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For a radiator I plan on using a Honda dual core half size radiator. There is room enough to mount it vertical. I will shroud it out the bottom like an oil cooler. Cutting the wheel wells open doesn't appeal to me. Here's a few pictures.







This will work but keep in mind you need twice the size of your inlet in your outlet. Also you should shroud it 100%. Next under the car should be a low pressure area, Using louvers or a single lip to create a suction/ negative pressure at the outlet will help.




Let me know if you have any questions on it.



Thank you for the great advice. I didn't know about to 1:2 inlet/outlet ratio. Yes I plan to shroud it 100%. A large enough from air dam should also help with negative pressure.

I thought about putting the radiator in the fire wall, but getting air to it is a major challenge.
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post Dec 19 2010, 09:59 PM
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Any updates on this? Is the motor in and running now?
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post Dec 20 2010, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE(TargaToy @ Dec 19 2010, 07:59 PM) *

Any updates on this? Is the motor in and running now?


The car is about 90% complete and should make its debut this spring. I need to finish some details on the coolant system and wiring to fire it up. Wasn't planning on updating the thread until its debut but I will post more detailed pics this weekend for those that have interest.

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Thanks for the encouragement.

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post Dec 20 2010, 11:50 AM
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post Dec 20 2010, 06:21 PM
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Looking forward to the pics!!!
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post Dec 20 2010, 09:58 PM
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Very interested. Keep the thread going. I'm a big Honda guy and before I was unbelievably able to own the very same 914 my Dad owned in the 70's, I had wanted to find a project 914 and fit it with a B18 or 'lude motor--that was before the S2000 came out! Now you've got me wondering again if a 3.5 "6" would fit.

PS, did you pull your fenders for the cookie cutters to fit? I tried a one on the rear of mine and it was nowhere close to working.
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post Dec 21 2010, 09:44 AM
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Yes the 3.2-3.7 will fit with an adapter. There are a couple out there already. 914club had a thread about them Good motors.

I love me some Hondas, have 5 at the house right now. Working on putting a GSR into a CRX with a hydro trans, Type R front brakes, all the good stuff from my turbo civic, that is now a race car in the works.
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Brett, What are the advantages of a hydro trans? Ability to use a stronger pressureplate?

My DD is a CRX Si and im planning on doing a Minime swap over the winter. I just got finished porting and polishing the exhaust side (First P&P job, Did it more for learning than the negligable gain) of the head. Its a Z6 head.



I think a B18 would make a great daily driver 914 if it was built a little!
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