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For Nor Cal 914 and Porsche Owners, this is the first LPR PCA Autocross of the 2004 season. Come out this Sunday and have some fun. All you need is your Porsche, a helmet (loaners are available), and $30.

914 owners that will be at the WCC AX are encouraged to go to get valuable AX and AX worker experience.

Questions? Informaton? Feel free to PM, or call me at 408.370.7842 (Rob Ways).

Hope to see you there!

Hey Rob,

Have fun this Sunday. We can't make it due to a schedule conflict but we should be able to make the rest of the LPR season.

How's the car running?

Bill

Car runs.. I think. It needs some love for sure. We'll miss you Sunday, but I guess TTOD will just be higher now. Would you be interested in designing a track for April's AX?

Hope to see some Nor Cal 914s out there.... .

OOOOOh....looks like lotso nice smooth concrete...nice. Tomorrow I'll be dealing with a none too large section of low traction lumpy axphalt

Good luck to both of us.

brad and i will be there early. if i can get my sorry-ass out of bed @ 4:30

Andy

You were home and posting to the BBS by 9:30!!!!????!!!!!

i have a fast car

hey rob, thanks for putting this on, that was fun today!

now i can confidently say that i suck @ AX.
and my little car does too.

so, what exactly does DNF mean on all those time-charts of mine?
Andy

*EVERYBODY* sux the first time out. Some of us are gluttons for punishment and keep going back for more.

The car was very good today, but my driving ain't improved much. I may have squeaked into the top 20. My co-driver may have squeaked into the top 10. Next SCCA AX, we'll try the new tiars.
Nice day.....lots of folks out...prolly close to 150.

JP,

How did the suspension mods feel? I'm curious if you could tell the difference with the roller bearings and 225's.....

Bill P.

I ran these 225s all last year (R3S03s all around), so that's about the only thing I didn't change.

The bearings seem fine.....no squeaks, but the biggest difference is the shocks. They are no longer overpowered by the springs......the ride over the I-5 bridge was even decent. No more bounding over our bumpy AX course....if nuthin else, my confidence was much higher. I'm sure the bearings helped with the suppleness (?) of the ride. I can prolly go to stiffer springs in back.....they're cheep enuff, now, that I can afford a collection.

As you know, measuring performance at an AX is tough. One can only go by how you do against competitors. Both Chuck and I beat folks that beat us last year. They threw us a curve by having a short
course....TTOD was 26.9 sec (CSP Miata)...good course for a 914 (with HP),tho. Chuck went 27.5 & I went 28.5...about. Ole Chuck would have been damn close to TTOD with the new tiars, I figure.

Word from the National Tour is that the new Kuhmos are quicker than the new Hoosiers...half sec on a 60 sec course.....but they only get 16 heat cycles out of them.

Hi JP,

Thanks for the info. The heat cycle thing is a big deal. Hoosier and Goodyear slicks will get between 8 - 12 heat cycles at the track. For an auto-x, they seem to last longer but many times they don't come up to temperature because you never get to run them long enough. I'm logging the performance vs heat cycles of my current set of track tires and I'll post them after I find out.

I've talked to the Hoosier guys and they say that the auto-x specific tires such as yours and the new Kumhos are much softer than the slick compound. The slicks are made for road racing.

The problem I'm facing is that I don't want to blow my budget on another set of rims, say 17" or 18" rims in order to get the ultra sticky shoes. I'm competitive for TTOD with the canti's. I've got 5 sets of cookies that were only $50 each. Hard to want to part with the big $'s after that! If I actually had any driving talent I probably wouldn't need all of this hardware!

Bill P.

The results are out today and Chuck finished 5th OA....I wuz somewhat further back. Our region has gone to "only the first 3 runs count"...my quickest was my 4th.....figures.

Gotta work on the new(to me) seat. On 2 runs, it slid back from where I had it set under acceleration....once, clear back to the fire wall.....didn't mean to lift there

I have no idea how long the A3S04s are gonna hold up. JIC, we're only gonna run them at SCCA. The AX "heat cycle" is kinda confusing. Dunno if is it 16 events or 16 passes.....16 passes would be a show stopper.

I was looking at the SD national tour held eariler this month. All the ought6s at the top were running the Kuhmos. The guy that won SS gets em' for free.
Those cars are pretty heavy compared to the 914, so who knows? Since Kuhmo don't make em' in my size, it's a moot point, I guess.

The LPR AX was a good time. We hope to see more N Cal 914s at the April 25th event. Same place, same faces, new track.

The list of 914 folks that lit up the track were:

Darren
Rich B
Sir Andy
me
Paul
& Nancy (in a 914-6 GT replica)
Mark P.
Ken H.
Brad

For newbies, Sir Andy and Darren drove hard and made strong showings. I'll post results later.

Thanks to all and we'll see you again!

Results!
We want results! (enter foot stomping smiley here)

Rob... I had a blast. It was great to see "my children" ripping up the course you laid out. Darren was the sleeper surprise of the event for me. I knew you could drive and I know your car is dialed in..

RichB was NUTTY for running on 10 year old 205/60/15 A008's Yok's...LOL in a car that hadnt seen the street in 10 years (last event was a PCA parade AutoX)

Andy needs to get his car aligned and he will be fine.

I'll let everyone know that I disconnected 3 sway bars on 914's at the AutoX and everyone went faster... go figure. It helps when you have a clue and can "watch" people struggle with their cars and offer them sound advice when they come in from a run...


B

I read somewhere that in qualifying the fifth lap is the fastest..

Then I found this to be true

dunno much about AX though

I'm not a huge fan of autocross... I was basically there to support Rob and to drum up some new business for us. I vividly recall my first autoX. I was 18 and basically had NO one to assist/help/guide me so I went to help Darren and Andy for their first events.(even though I only had 4.75 hours of sleep the night before after moving all day Saturday.)


B

frankly, i was amazed about how well the car was still controllable, even though it was understeering like a pig.

i mean, i had the front sliding in every corner, but it actually only spun out twice and in one out of the two occassions, i managed to get back in control before hitting the cones.

nothing like drifting through a corner in 2nd on full throttle with your front sliding and the tires screaming.

i'm looking forward to the next event!
Andy

Here's some of the results for some of our present 914 club members:

Rob Ways 914 Bi 102.268(1) 100.498(1) 59.686 100.202(1) 58.471 59.693(1) 59.081 58.143(1) 58.165 57.014 105.588(1) 57.751(1) 57.014 TTOD

Rich Botempi 914 Bp 109.757 102.644 106.691 100.036 100.033 100.539 102.112 102.254 100.345 101.392(2) 58.702 100.370(1) 58.702

Ken Holladay 914 Bp 102.244 103.521(1) 103.733 100.711(1) 100.043 100.863(1) 59.798 101.757(2) 59.717 100.228(1) 59.913 59.845 59.717

Darren Doud 914 Bp 112.512 107.425 106.119 105.821(1) 104.091 102.598 102.711 102.967 101.551 101.348 108.156(3) 105.701(2) 101.348

Sir Andy 914 Bx DNF 108.471 111.419 116.762(1) DNF 105.881 106.124 107.019 106.070 105.813 105.150 105.376 105.150

Thanks again. It would be great to have a 914 group for competition in N Cal. Thanks to Brad for showing up and for setting up my 914 .

hey, i was the fastest in my class!

Bx? Bclass, Xprep? what qualifications is that? whole lota everything but motor? I can do that!!!

Dang it, I realllly wanted to go.

Andrew

Hey Rob...Congratulations on TTOD!

Damn...I wish the schedule had allowed us to play on Sunday. Hopefully we will be out there for the next LPR event and Brad, Sir Andy, Rich B, Darren and Ken H. will be back as well. I usually only get to talk to those guys when something is broken on my car!

Rob, are you running only the LPR series this year or will you be able to make other events?

I encourage anyone who ever wanted to try autocrossing to attend an LPR event that is co-chaired by Rob. It is very newbie friendly and we always have fun in a great atmosphere. Besides, if you're planning on participating in the WCC, start getting those practice laps in now before the big shootout for Auto-X bragging rights!

Again, congrats and thanks for helping put on the LPR events.

Bill P.

Rob:
I was/am confused by the results of your AX, so I went & looked at all the results. I can't figure out why there is such a wide disparity in times.
Are those listed with 100.00+ sec runs a result of penalities? Only 10 of 40 had penality free runs??

12 runs is really nice, BTW......run till ya puke

Time is denoted in 60 sec intervals so 101 is 61 seconds. Excel doesn't have the custom view to make 101.000 into 1:01.000. I figure we're all bright people.

Yeah, 12 runs is pure fun. We started at 10am and finished at 3:45pm. Oh, with a 45 min lunch break.

How many runs do you guys get?

Bill, thanks for the kind words. TTOD would have been around 53 with you around.

With the new baby, I'm planning on limited track time with LPR, the WCC, and the DE coming up. I'd like to stop by GGR, but we're just getting in the swing of parenthood. Don't be surprised if you see Cheryl and me out there once or twice though!

Thanks again, R

You figured wrong.


Depends on where I'm running.
SCCA had 5 this last time, but only the first 3 count. One can run both run groups, AM & PM. The price doubles, tho
PCA: We get 4-6 + fun runs. One short course, we got 8.

I just sent in the revised numbers for the LPR site.

That's amazing. 3 runs, I guess it better be long, or bring a book.

There were 165 drivers at Sundays SCCA event. They split into 2 sessions. There is a LOT of standing around, but they are very well run.
A national tour event will get 300ish.
The finals get 1100-1200.

Our PCA's gets 40-60. We are working on the "well run" part.

Here's the top....uh...36


1m XCSP 6 Jim Daniels 94 Mazda Miata 26.711
2m SS 157 Bob Sagara 03 Corvette Z06 27.320
3m XBS 94 Curtis Eames 01 Porsche Boxst 27.491
4m AM 7 Neal Stanley TLRC
27.539
5m FP 14 Chuck West 74 Porsche 914 27.637
6m FRUN 54 Jim Daniels 01 Boxster S 27.705
7m WCSP 60 Tami Daniels 94 Mazda Miata 27.723
8m XASP 999 Tom Kotzian 01 Corvette Z06 27.742
9m FRUN 22 Jerry Martin Jr 90 Corvette 27.858
10m XCS 7 Tristan Kotzian-Coul 99 Mazda Miata 27.987
11m ESP 43 Tim Steck 00 Chevy Camaro 28.078
12m BS 31 Gary Hays 04 Boxster 28.081
13m XCS 8 JJ Coulter 99 Mazda Miata 28.087
14m AS 21 Chuck Spittal 91 Corvette 28.138
15m XBS 95 Jerry Jenkins 00 Honda S2000 28.140
16m EM 65 Denis Cornforth 65 Cobra 28.270
17m XCS 77 Travis Gripp 97 Mazda Miata 28.273
18m XDS 9 Steve Wynne 04 Neon SRT4 28.364
19m XCS 61 Chris Pethick 99 Mazda Miata 28.488
20m AS 154 Jeff Sander 01 Boxster S 28.503
21m XBS 194 Pam Eames 01 Boxster 28.574
22m AS 22 Jerry MartinJr 90 Corvette 28.633
23m FRUN 122 Jerry Martin SR 90 Corvette 28.634
24m DS 34 Morris Green 03 MS Protege 28.658
25m CM 43 Chuck Jarvie 82 Reynard 28.726
26 BM 231 Jared Boone Wheeler 28.743
27 AS 96 Roger Tooker 96 Corvette GS 28.867
28m XDS 85 Glenn Austin 02 Nissan SpecV 28.900
29m SSL 84 Cheryl Baugh 02 Corvette Z06 28.947
30m ESP 14 Jim Terry 80 Merc Capri 28.950
31m FRUN 154 Doug Barrett 01 Boxster S 28.959
32m SS 57 Joanne Sagara 03 Corvette Z06 29.015
33m XBS 70 Andy Howe 00 Honda S2000 29.040
34m CP 39 Jerry Braunberger 85 Camaro Z28 29.098
35m XGS 33 Mark Darby 98 Neon ACR 29.101
36m FP 4 Paul Stein 74 Porsche 914 29.105

re: brads sway bar comment. should i try disconnecting the rear bar? what effect does that have?

kevin

Disconnecting the rear swaybar loosens the front end. Disconnecting both the front and back was what I think he did on Rich's car.

gawd, this is soooo embarrassing ...

just looked up the results and i got 20 points (out of 20) for my shitty driving.
why?

cause i'm the only one in my class!
Andy