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pbanders
Well, I always dread December here in AZ, because that means I have to get the 914 smogged. If I'd only stayed in CA, I would be home free by now!

In the past, I have never trusted the AZ MVD test equipment, which as you'll see, was probably a mistake. Always seemed high on CO and HC to me. As some of you may know, I have a garage full of 914 D-Jetronic test equipment, and I also have a CO meter of my own.

I didn't play it smart by checking my CO first, I just went and warmed the car up by driving for about 30 minutes, backed off the ECU idle mixture knob a few clicks leaner, set the idle speed and took the test. Here in AZ, they test CO and HC at load (about 2000 rpm on the dyno in 3rd) and CO and HC at idle after the load test. The limits for my year at load are HC>500 ppm / CO>4.20%, and at idle HC>500 and CO>5.50%.

The car has less than 2K on a full stock 2.0L rebuild. Passing those standards should be no problem. Well, it failed big time. Loaded HC=115 ppm / CO=4.85%, and idle was HC=890 ppm (!) / CO=5.85% (!). Waaaaay rich, wow. I groused at the guy that it couldn't be that rich and drove it home.

First thing I did was check my timing, it was spot-on. Next, the CO. Yep, I got just below 6%! I could fix that by adjusting the ECU, and I figured the high CO at load was because I'd swapped in an new MPS this past year, must have been richer.

I took a few minutes to compare the MPS's calibrations with my tester before I swapped them. Both were identically calibrated, with 8.9 ms injection pulse width at 0" Hg vacuum (wide-open throttle conditions), 6.3 ms at 5.0" Hg vacuum (moderate part-load), and 4.2 ms at 10" Hg vacuum (light load, near idle levels). Since they were the same, it made me concerned that I'd fail again for loaded CO. But, hey, I didn't trust their numbers, so I figured I'd just hit a different test lane this time and it would pass.

I did the swap, set the idle CO down to 3%, and went back for the retest. And as you might suspect, while it did better, it did fail as I feared for loaded CO. Results were loaded HC=127 ppm (nearly the same as last time) / CO=4.57% (fail, and nearly the same as last time), and idle HC=335 ppm (MUCH better) / CO=2.71% (MUCH better, and the same as I read on my meter). OK, now I know what to do.

Went home, yanked the MPS back out. The one I'd put in was one that I'd removed the epoxy seal so that I could do my own calibrations. I removed the full-load stop screw (the big screw slot in the end of the MPS) to expose the main load adjustment and part-load transition screws. While connected to the tester, I held the part-load transition screw fixed with one screwdriver, and screwed in the main load adjustment screw while watching the injection time on the tester. I dropped the full-load duration from 8.9 ms down to 8.5 ms, which resulted in the 5" Hg reading dropping to 5.9 ms, and the 10" Hg reading dropping to 3.9 ms. I figured this would make it so lean that it would drive like crap, but would pass the test easily.

Stuck it back in, set the idle CO to around 2.5%, set the idle speed. Surprisingly, the car ran fine. Drove it hard back to the test facility. You know what they say, "third time's the charm".

Guy who tested it this time owns an '80 911SC, so he was really interested in seeing if it would pass. And it sure did! Loaded HC=57 ppm (Wow!), / CO=1.58% (Wow!), idle HC=113 ppm / CO=0.99% (!). Got my cert and left.

Obviously, I went a bit too far with my adjustment, as I'd like to see the loaded CO at about 2%, and I'm going to bring my idle CO up with the ECU knob a few clicks. But I learned a few important things. First, something I've always known, which is to set idle and loaded mixtures correctly, you've got to do it on the dyno. Guessing with road results doesn't cut it. Second, the MVD's numbers were right and I should have paid more attention to them in the past, as they've always shown me to have quite a rich loaded CO. Third, the base calibration on the 2.0L MPS's is quite rich. I've got two NOS MPS's and both are closer to where I started from.

Long story, hope it had some useful info in it and wasn't too boring. Now that my car's registered for 2010, I'll be having a happy New Year, and I wish all of you out there in 914-land a Happy 2010!
SGB
A credit to your knowledge and hard work. Thanks for sharing Brad!
orange914
wow, impressive work. you can register your car at my cali. address if you tune in mine!

i'm surprised your hc didn't climb with that low c.o. reading.
pbanders
QUOTE(orange914 @ Dec 31 2009, 12:11 AM) *

wow, impressive work. you can register your car at my cali. address if you tune in mine!

i'm surprised your hc didn't climb with that low c.o. reading.


EDITED: I just went and pulled a better Bosch reference than the one I looked at earlier for the HC and CO relationship. The HC curve as a function of lambda is essentially symmetric, not asymmetric as I said earlier. The minimum is at about 1.15, looks like I must have gotten close to that with my tuning, a bit lean.
pbanders
QUOTE(pbanders @ Dec 30 2009, 07:05 PM) *

The limits for my year at load are HC>500 ppm / CO>4.20%, and at idle HC>500 and CO>5.50%.


Just want to make sure I was clear, the ">" signs mean you've exceeded the limit at those levels. Sorry, I know, not very clear.


jasons
FYI, if you have a classic or mileage limited insurance policy, you are exempt from AZ emissions. You can be covered by someone like Hagerty or your own provider. My policy is with American Family. I hate going to AZ emissions. They can never shift the 901 trans, they always go from 1st to 4th. Last time I tested my car, I had the guy(kid) start it in 3rd and just leave it there.

FWIW, my car is 2.0 Djet and would pass without issue thanks to the time I spent on your site.
pbanders
QUOTE(jasons @ Dec 31 2009, 09:39 AM) *

FYI, if you have a classic or mileage limited insurance policy, you are exempt from AZ emissions. You can be covered by someone like Hagerty or your own provider. My policy is with American Family. I hate going to AZ emissions. They can never shift the 901 trans, they always go from 1st to 4th. Last time I tested my car, I had the guy(kid) start it in 3rd and just leave it there.

FWIW, my car is 2.0 Djet and would pass without issue thanks to the time I spent on your site.


That's very interesting info. I'm pretty sure I have a 5K/yr policy, I'll check and if so, I'll contact the MVD. Thanks!

I was lucky with the guys I had, they just let me do the shifting while they clutched, except for the last guy with the 911, he knew what he was doing.
JeffBowlsby
Hey Brad, any chance you can give us those MPS calibration figures in Henrys so we can use the Wavetek meter? Wishin' I had a meter that would indicate pulse width... biggrin.gif
TravisNeff
I found that all the 914's I get through emissions, need to have the idle mixture towards full rich due to weak ignition. The last guy who tested mine had an SC as well - it was the chandler test station, so maybe the same guy. Good mojo.

I switched to the collector policy this year, so no more smog checks for me.
plymouth37
Thank god my 914 is registered in Wyoming, emissions checks sound like a total pain.
Mike Bellis
You can always try the old California trick... Pour a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the tank before the test. beer.gif beer.gif
jasons
QUOTE(pbanders @ Dec 31 2009, 03:08 PM) *


That's very interesting info. I'm pretty sure I have a 5K/yr policy, I'll check and if so, I'll contact the MVD. Thanks!



My agent prints me a binder letter that says my insurance conforms to their "Classic Car Program". I take that letter to the MVD, and they waive the test.
pbanders
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Dec 31 2009, 05:00 PM) *

Hey Brad, any chance you can give us those MPS calibration figures in Henrys so we can use the Wavetek meter? Wishin' I had a meter that would indicate pulse width... biggrin.gif


I could, but I don't think it'd do any good. The variations between MPS's and what a specific engine needs is too great to rely on a single calibration profile. This experience has convinced me that the way to do proper tuning of the mixture at idle, part-load, and full-load is to do this process at a dyno shop, with a shop-quality CO analyzer. On my year of 2.0L ('74 engine), you first set the part-load mixture to 2.0% (AFM 13.8:1), then set the idle CO to 3.0% (AFM 13.5:1), and the idle speed to 950 RPM. Where the Wavetek would come in handy is in setting the position of the full-load stop, as it is very difficult to tell by feel alone when you've screwed it in enough to just contact the full-load diaphragm. It is an extremely sensitive adjustment, 1/16 of a rotation makes a large difference (~0.5 ms) difference in the full-load duration, once the screw has engaged the diaphragm.

BTW, on my car, the difference between a part-load mixture of 4.5% and 1.5% was less than 1/4 of a turn on the MPS main mixture adjustment screw, very sensitive. Only a few tenths of a ms of change in injection duration makes a large difference in CO.

You bring up another point, the desirability of having a cheap and simple way of measuring injection duration. I thought you were building a simulator at one point, did that ever happen? Another idea is to use a cheap hand-held oscilloscope to monitor the injection pulse at the injector on a running car.
pbanders
re: cheap portable oscilloscope

Here's a unit from Vellman:

http://www.apogeekits.com/oscilloscope_HPS10.htm

Under $200. I have no idea of if this thing would work or not. You need to have 0.1 ms resolution for it to be useful. Having an interposer that you could plug into an injector and the wiring harness, to tap off the signals, would make it a lot simpler to use.
pbanders
I did some more characterization yesterday, perhaps I don't need to do a dyno tune on it after all. I have one tester that uses an interposer to tap off the signal at an injector, so that you can get the injection pulse width. I also have a Heathkit CO meter, and the readings I get with it match what I got at the MVD for my idle levels. Both can be used with the car on the road, with a bit of futzing around, so I went for a drive yesterday and noted some data. All the CO levels I report below are in 0.5% increments, it's an analog meter and that's as good a resolution as I feel comfortable with reading it.

After a cold start, my idle goes to about 1700-1800 RPM while the AAR is open. Pulse width is about 4.5 ms. I didn't get a CO level because I didn't put the meter in the car until it was warmed up. Once the car is fully warmed up, I got a consistant idle CO of 3.0% (spec level for my engine), with an injection pulse width of 3.6 ms at 1050 RPM. Part-load cruising with constant throttle angle on a flat road at 2500 RPM in 4th gear resulted in a CO of 2.0% (which was my part-load target level), and an injection pulse width of 3.8 to 4.0 ms. Full-load (wide-open-throttle) conditions starting from 40 mph gives CO levels over 4.0%, and injection pulses of greater than 8.0 ms (varies widely as a function of engine speed). Overrun conditions (coasting downhill, throttle closed) gives CO levels between 2.0 and 3.0%, with injection pulse widths as narrow as 2.0 ms (indicating manifold vacuum levels of more than 15 inHg - note that my overrun valve is set to 18 inHg).

The car ran quite well, once fully warmed-up. Good power at all throttle angles and load levels, good idle stability, good transistion characteristics. As some of you who know me and my car may remember, I've always had issues with idle stability with electrical loading (e.g. lights on, heater blower, etc.) due to alternator loading (verified this as the cause through some experiments with my battery and manually controlling DF). With my current tuning, this problem is nearly eliminated. Engine idle with lights on drops from 1050 RPM down to about 800 RPM, more of a drop than I'd like, but a level I can live with. CO stays the same, but the injection pulse width increases to 3.8 ms. I can now drive my car at night without gritting my teeth and massaging the throttle at every stop light!

Where the car can still use some improvement is with the cold-start and warm-up phase. One thing that's totally different now that I have a much leaner idle setting is that under a cold-start (engine off for 3+ hours, ambient temp above 32 deg. F), after cranking, with no throttle input, my engine immediately starts and jumps to 1700-1800 RPM (due to the AAR being open). Previously, I would have to open the throttle (not to give more gas, but to give more air) to get it to start, and it would stumble under 1K for a few moments until it crept up to about 1500 RPM. While this is a nice improvement, the problem is that the AAR seems to close too quickly, in something less than 5 minutes. It would be much better if the AAR closed more slowly, over a 10 minute period, as it takes quite a while for the engine to reach full operating temperature (yes, I have a fully working thermostat and air flaps system smile.gif). What I think I'm going to do here is to experiment with adding external ballast resistance to the AAR heater circuit. The normal resistance of the AAR heater is around 13 ohms, I'm going to see if I can dig up a 5 ohm / 5W power resistor to ballast in. I may also experiment with letting the AAR close with the heater open.

The other warm-up issue is that IMO, it's too lean. I'm judging this by a combination of some light exhaust popping during overrun, rough idle, and throttle transition behavior during warm-up. What I did to help that was I added 50 ohms of ballast resistance to the head temp sensor. The CHT circuit in the ECU is designed to richen the mixture when the NTC resistor in the sensor is at a high value (cold). Adding more resistance increases the richness, but you have to be careful. Depending on the ECU, the CHT circuit is designed to stop leaning out the mixture once the car is fully warmed-up, which is indicated by when the sensor's resistance drops below 300 ohms. Once you've driven the car for 30 minutes or so, the sensor resistance drops to around 50 ohms. What this indicates is that you've got about 200 ohms or so of ballast resistance you can play with to vary the warm-up phase richness and duration. I suggest adding resistance in 50 ohm increments, up to 200 ohms, as you zero in on the best performance.

One last thing I noted was that while I was doing all this tuning, I had an issue with the CHT sensor's connection to the wiring harness. I have one of those really super harnesses that Jeff Bowlsby makes, and the CHT sensor connection has a plastic protector, just like the factory one. The CHT sensor connector is exposed, so this protector prevents shorting should it touch a metal part in the engine compartment. Unfortunately, the down side is that it's a real PITA to get that sensor connector to engage with the spade part that's deep in the plastic protector. Often, actually doesn't slide onto the spade, but ends up wedged between the spade and the side of the plastic shell. First time you hit a bump, it either arcs or pops out, and your car burbles or stops running. Installing the 50 ohm ballast resistor helped fix that, as I'd made up a resistor with male and female spade connectors on each end. The extra length of the resistor and connector assembly makes it easy to engage the spade deep in the plastic protector, and exposes a spade connector on the other end that's easy to attach the sensor's connector to. I use a tie wrap to hold the exposed contact away from any metal parts to avoid shorting.
pbanders
FWIW, I got my first fuel mileage reading after doing these adjustments. Previously, I was getting right around 20 mpg in city driving. I'm now up to 26 mpg on 2.0L, and I wasn't doing anything to try to conserve fuel. Looks like a part-load CO of 2.0% is a pretty good target number. No issues with hot running noted, either.
orange914
QUOTE(pbanders @ Jan 4 2010, 09:15 AM) *

FWIW, I got my first fuel mileage reading after doing these adjustments. Previously, I was getting right around 20 mpg in city driving. I'm now up to 26 mpg on 2.0L, and I wasn't doing anything to try to conserve fuel. Looks like a part-load CO of 2.0% is a pretty good target number. No issues with hot running noted, either.

what are your temp readings? do you think it'll be different at the 2.0 mix in the hot pheonix summer? what cam do you have? by the way this is interesting reading, not that i can phathom 1/2 of it sad.gif but good non theless
pbanders
QUOTE(orange914 @ Jan 4 2010, 08:06 PM) *

QUOTE(pbanders @ Jan 4 2010, 09:15 AM) *

FWIW, I got my first fuel mileage reading after doing these adjustments. Previously, I was getting right around 20 mpg in city driving. I'm now up to 26 mpg on 2.0L, and I wasn't doing anything to try to conserve fuel. Looks like a part-load CO of 2.0% is a pretty good target number. No issues with hot running noted, either.

what are your temp readings? do you think it'll be different at the 2.0 mix in the hot pheonix summer? what cam do you have? by the way this is interesting reading, not that i can phathom 1/2 of it sad.gif but good non theless


Gotta say that the temp readings are using my "hand thermometer", yes, my hand! I don't have oil or head temp gauges on the car. Temps here are 70 deg. F right now, so I'd expect a considerably hotter temps in summer when it's blazing. I'll see what I can do towards getting some actual readings. I have a thermocouple I could run down the dipstick tube to get a reading, I'll try that sometime.

Cam is stock.

wgwhitney2
Brad, I appreciate the detail in the thread...I am jealous of your access to test equipment and knowledge. I have a question about fuel economy expectations. I have a "european" style rebuilt 1.7L in a 1973. By "euro" it is alledged to have a higher compression than standard here in CA. I have reduced the fuel pressure down to 28psi from 35 which cleared the carbon fouling. My timing is dead on, and dwell is 48 degrees. I am getting 15-17mpg around town, shifting at 3500 or so. Freeway is only 22-23 mpg. Should I pay for an emission test to get the specs? And then what am I looking for? Any guidence you can provide will be appreciated.
Bill
pbanders
QUOTE(wgwhitney2 @ Jan 7 2010, 11:15 AM) *

Brad, I appreciate the detail in the thread...I am jealous of your access to test equipment and knowledge. I have a question about fuel economy expectations. I have a "european" style rebuilt 1.7L in a 1973. By "euro" it is alledged to have a higher compression than standard here in CA. I have reduced the fuel pressure down to 28psi from 35 which cleared the carbon fouling. My timing is dead on, and dwell is 48 degrees. I am getting 15-17mpg around town, shifting at 3500 or so. Freeway is only 22-23 mpg. Should I pay for an emission test to get the specs? And then what am I looking for? Any guidence you can provide will be appreciated.
Bill


When the 914 1.7L came out in 1970, fuel economy was one of the features touted for the car. Some people reported over 35 mpg on sustained, level highway driving, which means you could get about 600 miles out of a 16.5 gal tank!

Your engine sounds like it's running quite rich. While I'd really like to have some of the more experienced builders and dyno rats out there fill us in on their figures, from what I can tell, for a stock 2.0L a part-load CO of 2.0 to 2.5% gives good drivability (assuming there are no other underlying problems). What I'd suggest you do is to take your car to a dyno shop and monitor your CO under part load conditions, with engine speed in the 2000 to 3000 rpm range. You could go and get a standard emissions test on the DMV's rollers, but I suspect a dyno shop will give you a lot more flexibility as to your test conditions.

BTW, as for test equipment, while I've got a lot, the only thing you really need to do the tuning with is a CO meter, preferably one that runs off 12V so that you can have it in the car while driving under load. There are some relatively cheap ones out there, click below for some examples.

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=%22air%2F...2&_osacat=0
zonedoubt
QUOTE(pbanders @ Jan 7 2010, 01:46 PM) *

BTW, as for test equipment, while I've got a lot, the only thing you really need to do the tuning with is a CO meter, preferably one that runs off 12V so that you can have it in the car while driving under load. There are some relatively cheap ones out there, click below for some examples.


I bought a used Gunson's Gastester off the Samba a couple years ago and have successfully used it to tune the CO level on my 1.8L L-Jet to pass emissions testing. Nice easy to use piece of equipment, hooks up to the battery and a probe sits in the tailpipe.
orange914
QUOTE(zonedoubt @ Jan 7 2010, 02:04 PM) *

QUOTE(pbanders @ Jan 7 2010, 01:46 PM) *

BTW, as for test equipment, while I've got a lot, the only thing you really need to do the tuning with is a CO meter, preferably one that runs off 12V so that you can have it in the car while driving under load. There are some relatively cheap ones out there, click below for some examples.


I bought a used Gunson's Gastester off the Samba a couple years ago and have successfully used it to tune the CO level on my 1.8L L-Jet to pass emissions testing. Nice easy to use piece of equipment, hooks up to the battery and a probe sits in the tailpipe.

what about the m.a.p. sensor for the load? did you mount it permenantly, how did you enclose it if so? anyone have a set up 4 sale? biggrin.gif
wgwhitney2
Brad,
Thanks for the thoughts...I believe I will find a dyno or at least my Smog Shop buddy's to see where the CO is running at. I will let you know what the results are.

I may go ahead and reduce the fuel pressure a bit more to see what that yields.

Another thought involves the pot on top of the computer...it is physically broken on top, and I assume its not doing much of anything right now but maybe I am wrong. If it died full open, would that contribute much to my bad fuel economy?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Bill
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