I have been working my tail off and saving money to build my 2litre motor this summer, so far i have saved $2500, If should have another $1500 in a month or so. However, I have been seeing 2.7-6 and 2.4-6 on ebay, the recycler and other places from $850.00 - $4000.

My question is - is it worth upgrading to a 2 litre from my 1.7, when a couple of thousand dollars more, i could get a six? And what is involved (price wise) to convert it from a 4 to a six.

Give me some feedback -

Craig

You will be able to build a good 2.0 4 cylinder for $2000-$3000.

If you go to a 6 and have to do any rebuilding $3000 will not even begin to cover it.

Engine gasket set for a 4 $40.00, for a 6 $400. New Ps & Cs for a 4 $400, for a 6 $2000-3000.

Also with the 4 you can do a lot of thework your self.

Ken

thanks Ken -

Here is what I send people:

Prices subject to change... Oh.. and I dont use Vellios tanks (only factory) unless the customer brings me a Vellios (at which point I try and convince them to use factory.

B

Or you can be patient and just buy stuff when you find great deals.
I bought an original 914-6 engine sheetmetal set in good shape for $50. I got a 914-6 flywheel in great shape for $60.

I just keep pickin up parts here and there and sooner or later I'll have everything checked off the list.

Brad what happened to that 2.0 six conversion you did for like $500? Tell the story man.

Are those cool Canadians (Sabin, Marc-Andre, Michel Richard) on this board? Those guys rock. Sabin made his own steel GT flares, and I think it was Michel who made his own bulkhead -6 engine mount for like $30. He also made a 914-6 oil tank using 911 oil tank parts (but then didn't use it instead opting to use a real 914-6 tank).

-Ben M.

It wasnt quite that cheap. I bought a already running converted car from the old classifieds and yanked the engine/trans out and sold the roller. Bought a real tank and lines... installed the RJ mount and made it run (barely)

The new owner is on here. His name is Tim. He got what I felt was fair deal for a super clean chassis/decent paint. He ended up rebuilding the engine (its on his avatar) I wish he had more time for the BBS. I know he has engineering skills that could help us out on some new parts.


B

i think thats what im going to do. Just pick up parts here and there. and make that my 2005 project. In the mean time im going to build me a nice 2 litre

Brad - I will be picking your brain

Yep. Saw the car just over a week ago at the GGR Autocross at Candlestick. It was Tim's first autocross, and I was his instructor. Nice guy. He rebuilt the motor himself to a 2.2 (not sure what specs). Had good power. I wish my chassis was as clean as his. He had a good time. He'll be back for more....

Demick
'74 2.0

My approach is simmilar, but without the $2,000 2.0 rebuild. I'm slowly gathering six parts as I find them, and in the mean time I'm flogging the old 1.7 till it croaks. If I kill it before the six is ready I'll drop in another old $200 1.7 and flog it too. Any serious money goes toward the six.

-Ben M.

I vote for the six.

Nothing like HP music in Flat Six

look at this and tell me what you think

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...&category=33615

I know Corey Jump (Planet911) The engine will be exactly what he says it is. I have known Corey for 8+ years.

B

So - if i could find a good six for 1000.00, and the conversion kit is going to cost me 2-3k i have a sixer for less than $5000!

Doesnt it seem more logical to spend the extra 1500 on a six than spending 2500 on a 2litre 4?

Or am i missing something? Help me out Brad, bring me back to reality someone - I dont want to start something I am going to regret. I have the money to start the 2litre 4 project, but if all i have to do is wait another 2-3 months to get the other 2Ktodo a 6, ill wait.

I would wait. I "assembled" the last 6 for around 5K The early engine are cheap to come by. Nobody wants them. I would save even more and hold out for a 3.0.. or buy this engine and use the Webers off of it later for a 3.0.

First things first: Is the chassis any good ? I dont convert shit cars.


B

I have a few /6 conversion question.

1) Is it a clean install-any cutting of engine bay/ rear trunk bulkhead?
2) Is it possible to use a sideshifter trans?
3) How does it attach to the body? (obviously not the same engine hanger bar!)
4) Where do you mount the dry sump (oil tank)?
5) what is the best six to put in there? (2.0, 2.2, 2.4 w/ mfi, 2.7 CIS, etc)
6) What Will fit back there?
7) What about "hand throttle"?

any pics of installs or components would be appreciated. Also, what would total cost be to do just a full engine conversion?

You can do a /4 for a lot less than a /6.

The /6 is cooler of course, but if you have to rebuild a 2.0-2.4 /6 you may as well have bought a good 3.0-3.2 to start with.

Once you have a /6 done you will want to upgrade to 5 bolt fuch's and brakes etc. so you might want to add those prices in.

Then you will want flares thus a new paint job as well.

the ching, ching, starts to add up!

Whoa.. Luckily.. I like you acox...LOL


1. NO cutting (unless you want to run stock CIS on a 2.7/3.0 engine)
2.Use either trans (side shifter or tailshifter)
3. see pic below (my close friend Rich Johnson makes it)
4. Oil tank mounts in the factory location in the fenderwell behind the driver. Look for the "bumps" on the inside firewall near your relay board. Those are the factory "bumps" that we cut for the factory 6 tank (that you can still buy new)
5. Best 6 (best one you can afford) If I had my way.. I wouldnt do any conversions unless the owner had a 3.0 or 3.2.
6. Everything up to a 3.2 bolts right in with factory 914/6 parts. The 3.6 requires tons more work.
7. Hand throttle is no problem.. but not needed for any of the injected engine.

B

F..k the hand throttle

I have a warm 3.2 in my 914.
It has a re geared side shifter tranny

Mine has a NOS 914-6 oil tank

If you get your webers and your ignition dialed in, it starts and runs first try

Hey! People are talking about me!

Normally I'm just overwhelmed by the number of posts. I pick and choose what to read... this thread made the cut

As for this thread on converting to the 6, it was surely easier and cheaper to buy something that was already converted, but needed mechanical work. And rebuilding the 6 wasn't that big a deal. Yes more expensive than a 4, no doubt, but I did everything except the head rebuilding in my own garage. Granted, my garage is a bit better equiped than some. I've spent less then 4 grand total on an engine rebuild and lots of enhancements/upgrades. That doesn't count my recent spending spree.

Brad, I do have a fair number of little "clean up" and "replace" work i'm doing on the 914. I've got some interior customizations that are coming up, simple stuff. The shifter thing is on my plate. Other stuff like better fuel lines and such was really about finding good parts (summit racing helped me out).

.tim

HEY! I'm finally accepted!!!! jk

thanks for the info and answers, where does tha engine mount pic hookup to the car, it doesnt look all that wide. The reason i ask abou the trans, is because i heard of a conversion car that the linkage hit the headers/HE's and wouldnt shift into all gears .

What differs a /4 car from a /6 car - other than drivetrain and suspension
1) hand throttle
2) no door beams in doors
3) something on one trailing arm? (read that from an earlier thread...fill me in)
4) fixed pass. seat. and non retractable seatbelts
5) different ignition/wiperswitch/ turnsignal
what else.....?

2. and 4. can also be found on the earlier /4s.
had to do with the year, not /4 or /6 ...

Amen on Corey Jump. Just wanted to chime in since he's in my neck of the woods. He's not only honest, but a really nice guy that loves Porsches. He's practically given away 914 parts to me as well as giving me solid advice on my car setup. It probably costs him money to have me as a customer, but he treats me as if I were an important client. Here's to Corey.

I'd pass on that motor. Those are Zenith carbs, not Webers. A good set of Webers will cost over 1k.....unless Brad likes you

hmmmmm........... What do you think I could get from my webers?? They are jetted for 3.0L and I have K&N airfilters.

I am not selling them right now, but I may chance them to the programmable fuel injection system and then I will need to chance them to the ca$$

A rather comprehensive list was done my Jon Lowe on the Rennlist. A couple of things that come to mind:

6. Ignition on the left.
7. Windshield washer & bottle different.
8. Steering column & trim pieces

-Rusty

Timo:
Good IDA Webers (non-worn butterfly shafts) with manifolds, linkage, and air cleaners, get snapped up pretty quick. When/if you get serious ask 1200 on the PP 911 classifieds.

Thanks JP

I saw a set of rebuilt triples in excellent condition with linkage and manifolds go for $1500 at the local swap meet a month or so ago.

Hey Timo,

I think you'd get at least 1500 euro's for them
Possibly more...

cheers,

Jeroen

While on the topic of weber carbs....
.....In the aftermarket/custom vw / hot rodding market for VW's, the thing THat was "BITCHIN" and "ALL THE RAGE" were weber 48 IDA 2 barrel downdrafters. Everyone had to have them....but they were no longer available new. So everybody had rebuilt 48 ida's. But weber realized the need and brought out all the old tooling and stuff and shipped a 48 ft container from spain(webers' new HQ ithink ) to the states. Now all the buggers and ghia hot rodders can buy new carbs for their aircooled beasts. If weber realixed the need for those carbs, would the redo the 911/914.6 carbs too?

PMO recognized this some time back.
Last I saw, $2400 for a set of carbs only. Close to $3K for the whole set-up.

yeah, but they sure are pretty!

How do PMO's compare to NEW WEBERS? newer is better?
enlighten me

Webers are no longer available new... that's where PMO comes in

cheers,

Jeroen

there was a never used set of 3 barrel webers on the bay. opening bid like 3k!

how does a thirty year old design compare to PMO's design?

I have heard of some issues with the PMO's in race applications, but I am not familiar enough to describe the technical details. I would bet that anything that has/does come up is just teething pains that Richard will deal with agressively. They are very pretty units and certainly fill a need in the market.

Keep in mind that even the nicest triple-throat Webers you''ll find are still about 30 years old and there can be lots of rehab needed with the bushings, banjo fittings, etc. Fortunately there are several shops, including PMO, who also still support Webers with spare parts and repair services. This is a good thing...cuz I have Webers...

Richard and his staff are extemely nice and very helpful. They helped me with rebuild kits for the (36's?) on my 356 and got some hard to find stuff my 40's for the blue car.

I would recomend them highly.
Their CNC machine is truly remarkable. That shit knocks me out!