I was inquiring about the ZDDP parts per million.
They would not give out that info.
I understand trade secrets and such but we should be told certain aspects that help us decide which products to purchase.

Sounds like they screwed themselves, as least as far as you are concerned.
Anyway, Brad Penn is the better oil for our cars.
Tom

Brad Penn seems to be the answer, although you can still add ZDDP to any oil.

Here's a good discussion about it back when all of the flack started.

http://blog.sfrcorp.com/2007/10/15/zddp-in-additives/ and another...

http://www.zddpforum.com/forum/viewtopic.p...c1fb707d97f981f

It's a touchy subject since the EPA mandate flat-out ruined a bunch of cars.

Yeah they screwed the pooch in my eyes.
i used to use it in my hayabusa.
i sold the bike.
I will not use them again.

The ONLY reason i was considering using RP is it is more readily available.

So it will be Brad Penn now

Screw Royal Purple?

Oh, figuratively!!!

Some information about 914 and ZZDp.

http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html

Royal Purple went down hill as soon as it became more readily available.. I used it in my 160,000 mile 912E engine that provided no-fail service over 8 years.

The data you are looking for is easy to get, not even from them.

BUT its not just ZDDP that matters, its the entire oil base stock and additive package. Some zinc is also more active than other and don't discount the moly, sulphur and phosphorous content either.

We've learned this over 5 years of developing our own oil especially for the aircooled engine..
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i looked for your oil jake at http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/store/.
i did not see it there.
Availibility? Price?

I always thought "Snake Oil" was referred to as a treatment of sorts that was bogus or fake.

Why would you name your oil after that?

(not trying to bash as I am just curious)

I just released the fact that we had this product completed two weeks ago.
It is now being used in our engines for both break in and street service as well as race applications.

I plan on only selling it to the general public after we have at least a year or so of testimonial and comparatives from these customers and their engines to substantiate the claims. I also have a fleet of 14 test vehicles attaining the final used oil analysis from the latest formulations currently. We only need to finish one more product and build the website for it before going live, sometime in 2011..

I do have a handful of beta testers out there running it as well, in engines from 80-625HP. You can learn all about it on my forums.

i wondered the same thing..but was afraid to ask.
dont wanna piss anyone off.

Thats the entire reason I did it.. No one else was crazy enough to do it.

On top of that the logo goes back 20 years with my company as the first logo I ever had, so the two really just ironically occurred.. A full explanation of the logo and name are in my community forums on the lubrication forum.

Oh well, didn't mean to hi-jack the thread!! Royal Purple proved its self to me but unfortunately that oil has changed since my first experiences with it.

Royal Purple is obscene in pricing ....

So I bought Valvoline Racing VR1 as I am out of Brad Penn at the moment.

I also throw in a little Lucas 'cause I can.

You'll see Jake's covered wagon in small towns near you ....

Here is the back side of the break in oil bottle.. That really is my great, great Grandpa!


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It was probably even used here once upon a time...


Or maybe at the hardware store...

It still operates today, 125 years later! In the same building!!



Sorry guys, with all the questions I couldn't help but have some fun.. My entire family thinks that its seriously cool!

Of course the final label will have a disclaimer that the recipe isn't that old and didn't come from my Grandpa... Its actually very, very modern...

This way when someone bitches about me selling "Snake oil" again they'll actually be advertising for me :-)

Cool

There's already a lubricant called Snake Oil.
Careful about the trademark issues.
It's a light, NSF-approved machine oil sold to the gunny crowd mostly (at least, that's where I've seen it marketed...)

Already been in contact with them, they don't have an issue with the name or logo..

Pretty cool Jake.

And I do really like the name.

It would be hilarious to tell someone you run "Snake Oil".

Oh, that's hot.

The old pictures and the history behind it is very cool!

What? Exactly how do testimonials substantiate claims? Testimonials are only opinion and belief.

Basically I want plenty of users that have ran a different oil to see what this oil does for their temps, pressures and used oil analysis before it is sold to those outside our network.
One thing that a couple of the offerings have built into them is the ability to withstand extreme temperatures without losing a gross percentage of oil pressure, especially at low RPM. This is something that Brad Penn doesn't do very well and that's why we see some complaints about low oil pressures from time to time.

A testimonial may only be an opinion, but it's a direct, first hand opinion that includes a comparative. That's the Kim of thing that money can't buy for a new product that we know works, but others may believe is just marketing hype. It very hard to argue with results gathered by first hand users.

Do you have that in writing???.....no, I'm not a lawyer.....

It will be.

It also appears that their trademark isn't just the name "snake oil". I may end up changing the name slightly, I have someone working on the trademark now, the pic I posted of the bottle is the prototype needed for trademark purposes.. Expect it to change a bit.

Mr. Raby: so brad penn oil is no longer the raby standard oil anymore, and now it is snake oil that you use.??? I am a bit confused, is this stuff (snake oil) real and your not using or planning to not use brad penn anymore, or is this some joke lable you made up?

Send me 3 qts and i'll do a testimonial. I know at exactly what temp I start loosing oil pressure at.

Mr raby: is the new oil you are using really the snake oil you show or is that some joke label you made up? if you using or going to be useing your own new oil, what are the diffeciences of the brad penn oil that you find?

it is not clear if this is a joke oil you have posted or you are really branding your own special oil that is better than brad penn.

please clarify?

thanks

As Jake stated multiple times here and in other threads; Snake Oil is no joke! Although I'm sure he'll clarify that for you himself...

Cool pictures and history!

No, it is not a joke... Not in the slightest

I don't want to totally hijack this thread by describing the differences in the products, the differences are posted in my forums.. Go there and read or post a thread there asking these questions.

If Brad Penn changes for the worst we won't recommend it any longer, until that time Brad Penn will remain an authorized oil along with Snake Oil. Brad Penn isn't developed specifically for aircooled engines, Snake Oil is. I also went over the details in my latest Aircooled Technology Radio Show available on Itunes tomorrow.