URY914
Mar 23 2011, 05:02 PM
I found this on another forum I belong to. The car is a one off but the owner and builder want to start production. The car is now in West Palm Beach FL. Have a look...
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URY914
Mar 23 2011, 05:03 PM
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 05:04 PM
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Mar 23 2011, 05:04 PM
plymouth37
Mar 23 2011, 05:08 PM
Nice!
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 05:12 PM
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Mar 23 2011, 05:13 PM
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Mar 23 2011, 05:15 PM
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Mar 23 2011, 05:16 PM
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Mar 23 2011, 05:17 PM
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 05:17 PM
Andyrew
Mar 23 2011, 05:26 PM
Is this on the locost7 forum?
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 05:30 PM
That is all the photos he has posted. Here is what he has said about it....
"The customer cars we have taken orders for so far have all been for Subaru engine / trans setups, but I like the simplicity and clean look of the Type IV / 901 combo. The engine that is in the car is a mock up block with the good transmission. The engine heads need a little machine work and then the final assembly of our improved type IV engine can be shipped to me and installed here. We took what started as an inject 2.0 engine and changed it to 103mm pistons, new can, lifters, followers, deep oil sump, high volume oil pump, Weber 44 IDF dual carbs, knife edge crank, and a few other goodies... It should be good for around 150hp, and with the car weighing under 1000 pounds as it sits, it should have plenty of power for my driving ability."
"I started as a customer for the guy who does the fabrication, then we started a company to sell these cars. I don't know if we are ever going to make any money, but if I can recoup the money I spent getting the company funded I will be happy. Thanks for the compliment. With the only thing lacking is 'finishing' I think the car will look better and better as we get to the finish line."
"As far as who is building my motor, the guy that did the fabrication is an independant Porsche tech, so he is building the motor. We went with some bigger pistons, and mild engine work, so it should be pretty reliable. We are hoping for around 150hp with our 2.3 litre displacement. I am getting the heads machined locally since there aren't any shops that do that type of work close to Richmond, KY. Hopefully I can get the heads done this week, and the engine assembly should get done by the end of next weekend (fingers crossed). I have plenty of other stuff to do to finish the car here anyway, so I doubt I will be waiting on the finished engine to complete the build."
I asked if Jake was building his motor and this is his reply..
"We need to get more of the Type IV motors in these cars to quiet the swell of buyers with Subaru loyalties. I have read tons of info on Raby's site. We are using lots of SCAT parts in the engine, but the pistons and cylinders are AA performance."
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 05:31 PM
QUOTE(Andyrew @ Mar 23 2011, 04:26 PM)
Is this on the locost7 forum?
no
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 05:32 PM
I asked if I could post the pics and info here and he agreed.
dlee6204
Mar 23 2011, 05:36 PM
Andyrew
Mar 23 2011, 05:42 PM
I've seen the chassis and the making of the chassis over on the Locost 7 board(or links from it). But it was with a subaru engine IIRC (Same color frame IIRC).
Which is why I ask.
Damn nice work.. I wish I could produce (and mass produce) something to that quality.
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 06:16 PM
As you can see the engine is not complete.
jimkelly
Mar 23 2011, 06:57 PM
except for the need for a radiator - there are many reasons to build this car around a subaru powertrain.
Randal
Mar 23 2011, 06:58 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Mar 23 2011, 05:16 PM)
As you can see the engine is not complete.
Your car is better looking Paul!
nathansnathan
Mar 23 2011, 07:19 PM
QUOTE(jimkelly @ Mar 23 2011, 05:57 PM)
except for the need for a radiator - there are many reasons to build this car around a subaru powertrain.
I wonder how they're going to direct air through the cooler. It looks like there's not room for the fan, much less the fan housing. I guess it would be upright, but that's not something that should be an afterthought. Type 4 likes to live in a sealed compartment wrapped in tin. Might be a damper on the clean look, cooling the engine
Nice though
nathansnathan
Mar 23 2011, 07:25 PM
I guess it does have the fan housing. I was looking at this one.
But the samba hd some others of the engine
Obviously at an earlier stage of development there. It does really look to be missing in the first though.
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 07:30 PM
He should run Jake's DTM fan.
Rand
Mar 23 2011, 07:31 PM
QUOTE
Type 4 likes to live in a sealed compartment wrapped in tin.
I was also wondering about cooling. Being in open air instead of an engine compartment can help some, but I'm betting that thing runs hot. I've seen TIVs in custom motorcycles and figured they had a slight chance since at speed you get some airflow because it's in the wind. Behind a firewall though, it's not going to get the forced rapid-velocity airflow it needs.
I love the idea of building at Atom clone. But in true form I would be shooting for 300hp like the original. Suby or rotary would rock. Or to get really crazy with insane power.... imagine two Hyabusa engines, one driving each rear wheel. Some creative synching needed, but ooooo....
Mike Bellis
Mar 23 2011, 07:31 PM
It does look cool!
I'm not sure the rear wing actually helps with all the holes in the chassis.
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 07:31 PM
QUOTE(Randal @ Mar 23 2011, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE(URY914 @ Mar 23 2011, 05:16 PM)
As you can see the engine is not complete.
Your car is better looking Paul!
I gotta agree there.
URY914
Mar 23 2011, 07:32 PM
That chickenshit wing needs to be up in the airflow if it is going to be doing anything.
Rand
Mar 23 2011, 07:43 PM
QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Mar 23 2011, 06:31 PM)
I'm not sure the rear wing actually helps with all the holes in the chassis.
If the wing gets airflow at speed, it creates downforce right? I suppose the non aerodynamic chassis could create some turbulance that affects airspeed back there, but otherwise I don't see what the holes in the chassis would have to do with it?
John
Mar 23 2011, 07:47 PM
I say put a 3.6 on there and it would be a ROCKET!
moparrob
Mar 23 2011, 08:10 PM
QUOTE(John @ Mar 23 2011, 06:47 PM)
I say put a 3.6 on there and it would be a ROCKET!
What an amazing ride, I want to buy an "E" ticket please.
Randal
Mar 23 2011, 08:49 PM
QUOTE(John @ Mar 23 2011, 06:47 PM)
I say put a 3.6 on there and it would be a ROCKET!
Absolutely agree.
Knowing how 3.6's work, you could beat the bleep out of it and do it for years.
Great hill climb car with some slicks.
championgt1
Mar 23 2011, 08:58 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Mar 23 2011, 06:32 PM)
That chickenshit wing needs to be up in the airflow if it is going to be doing anything.
914werke
Mar 24 2011, 01:46 AM
So he has a Co. & these are for sale? Bare Chassis? Complete car? Any pricing info?
URY914
Mar 24 2011, 05:11 AM
This is the first one built so they probably trying to sort out how to sell the future ones.
ottox914
Mar 24 2011, 05:57 AM
QUOTE(nathansnathan @ Mar 23 2011, 08:19 PM)
QUOTE(jimkelly @ Mar 23 2011, 05:57 PM)
except for the need for a radiator - there are many reasons to build this car around a subaru powertrain.
I wonder how they're going to direct air through the cooler. It looks like there's not room for the fan, much less the fan housing. I guess it would be upright, but that's not something that should be an afterthought. Type 4 likes to live in a sealed compartment wrapped in tin. Might be a damper on the clean look, cooling the engine
Nice though
How about the CFR flat fan conversion kit? That would look cool. Or maybe cut a hole in the bulkhead behind the seats, mesh it over, and duct some "ram air" directly into the fan opening? Hey, its a build it your self car, do what you want!
dflesburg
Mar 24 2011, 09:22 AM
who can tell me what the rear suspension parts are from?
Van914
Mar 24 2011, 10:07 AM
URY914,
do you have contact info for them?
Thanks
Van
URY914
Mar 24 2011, 10:17 AM
I don't have a direct email. I would have to PM him.
wobbletop
Mar 24 2011, 10:25 AM
QUOTE(dflesburg @ Mar 24 2011, 10:22 AM)
who can tell me what the rear suspension parts are from?
Pontiac Solstice, if the following thread is correct.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33104704
Jake Raby
Mar 24 2011, 10:51 AM
I had a phone consultation last week with a person who is building one of these units (or will be very soon). Looks like I'll be designing a 2316cc combo for it using my V2 DTM cooling system and our Evil Twist headers along with a "Raby Sport FIVE" transaxle.
The design has plenty of room for my V2 DTM cooling system.
I think 220HP with an RPM range to 7,800 will be a good fit for the chassis. Hell I want one!
Whats funny is these pictures showing the twin exiting exhaust system.. I KNOW that engine is losing a minimum of 20HP and tons of efficiency and tuning by not having a proper 4-1 or 4-2-1 collector. Dune Buggy mentality, gotta love it.
iamchappy
Mar 24 2011, 10:55 AM
Adding this to it would make it even more fun.
URY914
Mar 24 2011, 03:58 PM
I asked how much they think it will weight.....
"Our best guess is 1250-1300 pounds with all fluids but no driver / passenger. We are right around 980 as it sits. We still have to add a battery, exhaust, engine accessories (alterntaor, cooling fan and tins), fuel plumbing and pump, paint, wiring, lights, and some body trim. While I have read repeatedly that the subaru motor weighs less, I can't believe that to be true, so I am guessing the Subaru versions will be around 1500 or so."
PeeGreen 914
Mar 24 2011, 04:13 PM
I'd rather have your car Paul
nathansnathan
Mar 24 2011, 04:27 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Mar 24 2011, 02:58 PM)
I asked how much they think it will weight.....
"Our best guess is 1250-1300 pounds with all fluids but no driver / passenger. We are right around 980 as it sits. We still have to add a battery, exhaust, engine accessories (alterntaor, cooling fan and tins), fuel plumbing and pump, paint, wiring, lights, and some body trim. While I have read repeatedly that the subaru motor weighs less, I can't believe that to be true, so I am guessing the Subaru versions will be around 1500 or so."
That sounds about right, in line with this site where the 2 are compared somewhat generally. They say the suby weighs about 110lbs more, 35 for the motor, 75 for the radiator. Water is heavy
http://www.funco-motorsports.com/subaru_motor.htm
URY914
Mar 24 2011, 08:29 PM
QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Mar 24 2011, 03:13 PM)
I'd rather have your car Paul
Me too.
I look at that car and I think some of the bars could be cut out/not needed. Just seems a bit too much.
moparrob
Mar 24 2011, 08:47 PM
QUOTE(iamchappy @ Mar 24 2011, 09:55 AM)
Adding this to it would make it even more fun.
That is some serious engine porn right there. I've said it before and I'll say it again - your car is my favorite piece of engineering on this site. If you lived in California I'd have to make you an offer you couldn't refuse to convert my 3.0 to resemble yours...
Rand
Mar 24 2011, 08:48 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Mar 24 2011, 07:29 PM)
QUOTE(PeeGreen 914 @ Mar 24 2011, 03:13 PM)
I'd rather have your car Paul
Me too.
I look at that car and I think some of the bars could be cut out/not needed. Just seems a bit too much.
I agree with all of the above. Sort of.
That Atomish frame thing needs to be simplified for sure.
And as much as I lust over Paul's AX beast, I need to be able to drive it on the street. (Taking nothing away from the urymobile... just a different app)
bigkensteele
Mar 24 2011, 08:52 PM
Having driven a rail buggy before, I think that a big-ass wing on the front would be way more appropriate. Given that one was rear-engined.
Don't get me wrong - I love the looks of this thing, and I think that it would be a blast to drive. But I also think that it would be an air-tunnel disaster and the wing on the back is purely for aesthetics.
Rand
Mar 24 2011, 08:59 PM
QUOTE(bigkensteele @ Mar 24 2011, 07:52 PM)
Having driven a rail buggy before, I think that a big-ass wing on the front would be way more appropriate. Given that one was rear-engined.
Don't get me wrong - I love the looks of this thing, and I think that it would be a blast to drive. But I also think that it would be an air-tunnel disaster and the wing on the back is purely for aesthetics.
This isn't a rail buggy. You can't just say move the wing to the front. This is a street car. The wing needs to be placed for downforce where its really needed for its application.
I'm with you on the wind tunnel. That's exactly what would be needed to stop the speculation about the wing placement.
VaccaRabite
Mar 24 2011, 09:52 PM
The "real" Atoms don't have wings as a rule. But the few that do have them higher up in the air.
But that car looks mean as hell. Looks like a lot of fun.
Zach
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