Another post got me thinking. How many different engines have been put in our cars?

1. -4
2. -6
3. SBC V-8
4. Buick V-6
5. Porsche 928 V-8
6. RX-7 roto-rooter
7. Subaru flat 4
8. Ford turbo 4
9. Electric (GE or Bosch but not Lucas)
10. Nissan V-6
11. Saab turbo
12. Subaru -6
13. See the list below

Who knows of others???

Paul

guy put the turbo ford 4 banger in one

and otmars electric one

chris's nissan v-6

OK I added those to the list.

Paul

di-lithium crystal reactor

Got a local guy working on a Saab turbo.

someone on roadglue did a flat 4 subaru turbo and blew up 2 of them before he put in a subaru 6. He also made his own cable shifter.

eric tischer

What about a hamster in a cage?

Oh wait, that was the stock 1.7.

Paul

powered by feet. flinstone style

How 'bout a diesel???

Paul

The obvious one that comes to my mind is the aluminum Buick 215 V8. Very popular as it is very light. It was sold to England and is now put in the rovers.

skline, has it been done?

Paul

Hell yeah, I have seen several of them, There was one on Ebay for sale about a year or so ago. Kennedy makes the adapter.

There was a guy selling a Rover v8 with all the FI stuff and a adapter plate for a 901 trans on ebay. He was marketing to the dune buggy crowd but it sounds like it has been done.
There is also a guy that advertises in the classifieds of "Drive", the hot rod magazine that sold alot of Rover v8s and said he has worked with Renegade for adapter plates.

George

ford probe GT/mazda 24valve V6 has been done

Ford 5.0 (302) has been done a few times

I'm working on an LT1 conversion. It's technically an SBC, but different enough that most people say "it won't fit". Since I'm not done, it probably shouldn't go on the list, but I'll be sure to speak up once it's in. I don't know of anyone else that has completed this particular swap.

--Royce

I really dont know what the fuss is over an LT1, it is the same engine as a regular 350. The one that is different, is the LS1. It is the newer style engine and it is larger. Maybe I am misinformed, but I had an LT1 in my Trans Am and it is no different than a standard SBC, It had aluminum heads and its the same motor as the Z28 and Corvette. The newer cars now come with the LS1. Different breed. Could someone clarify this for me? Am I wrong? I dont think I am. But it could happen.

I thought I was wrong once before, but I was mistaken.

The LT1 is remarkably similar to a regular 350. It's just set up with a really nice combo, out of the box. It has reverse cooling, 10.5:1 compression, roller lifters, aluminum heads, and a really nice FI system on it. It has a nice broad torque range and gets good gas mileage. The reason it won't fit is the water pump, which I am relocating to the front trunk. With the water pump gone it's the same size as a regular 350, and it's no longer a big deal. I think most prople just shy away from it because it's possible to get the same performace from a regular SBC and then you can just use one of the prefabricated kits available. I chose it because I want the drivability of a modern FI and I could get the whole shebang for $1000. I'm fabricating most of my own conversion parts because I can, and it's cheaper that way, so I have no reason to not choose the LT1. Sorry to sound so preachy, but that's just a summary of my reasoning. It's quite possible I'll regret my decision sometime down the road, but I doubt it.

--Royce

I doubt you will regret it either. The reverse colling is nothing new to the conversion world. The Lt1 is a fine work of GM and has been used for years. The FI system is on the late models, its not the reason people shy away from it. Its the torque it puts out that makes people use a different setup. Most people want the shorter stoke higher revving, lower torque engines to save the transmissions. I myself, am building another engine/transmission combo to install at a later date. I want to build a 383 full roller motor with a 930 transmission to install in my car. I built the same engine for my 67 Chevelle about 4 years ago and it was dyno'ed at 475 HP with 535 Ft lbs of torque. It was the first car I ever drove that would pull the front end off the ground. If its all about power and speed, then that is what I want to build. Just to see how it will do. I maybe just blowing my money to tear the car in half, but if I do, I will just build another one with less power and start over again. These are hobbies right?

How about a 914 engine conversion in my 912?? It is at least a turbo one...

-Britain

Correct from my experience - The LT1/LT4 shares a lot in common with the Vortec 350. Main difference is it weighs 50 lbs less due to the aluminum heads. The cast iron heads flow better.

The LS1 series is a different animal. All aluminum, no provision for a dizzy (must have coil packs and harness/ecu to fire it) and no aftermarket carb manifolds that I am aware of. They stuff them in dune buggys and prefer the Corvette model.

Rover v8 is basically the same as the Buick 215 V8. Here's what KEP lists:
VOLKSWAGEN AND PORSCHE ENGINE ADAPTERS

"We manufacture 60 different kits to fit 100 different engines to rear engine Volkswagen or 911 & 914 Porsche."

ROTARY ENGINES
'74+ Mazda
Mazda 3 rotor & twin turbo

4 CYL. ENGINES
Type 4
VW 8 dowel gland nut hole
356, 912 Porsche
Chevy II
Dodge Colt
Datsun, Naps Z
Ford 2.0, 2.3
Ford Escort
Chevy Vega
Volvo B18, B20, B21
Toyota T
Honda
BMW
VW Rabbit
Ford Cortina
Ford Fiesta
Chevy Citation
Ecotech
Jeep 2.5
Pontiac Iron Duke
Chrysler 2.2
Datsun A
Subaru 1.8 OHV
Saturn 1.9
Nissan SR20
GM Quad 4
Pontiac Sunbird
Toyota S
Toyota Tacoma, '96+
Subaru 1.8 OHC
Toyota 20-22R & 18R, 18RGU
Subaru 2.0, 2.2 & 2.5
Toyota A, MR2
Acura Integra to '89 & 90+ & Del Sol
Mazda 1.8 DOHC
Honda S2000 - rotates correct direction
Honda Prelude 2.2-2.3
Mitsubishi 2.0
Toyota 1.8 1ZZ

6 CYL. ENGINES
Buick V6 1962-63
Ford 4.0 SOHC
Ford 60º V6
Porsche, 6 bolt or 9 bolt
Buick V6, RWD
Chevy Corvair, reversed engine
Chevy Corvair,Std.engine
Chevy 90º V6, Pre '86
Chevy 90º V6, '86+
Chevy 4.3 V6, '96+ alum. oil pan
Ford 90º V6
Volvo V6
Chevy 60º V6
Buick 3.0 V6
Buick 3.8 V6, FWD
Ford 3.0 V6
Ford 3.0, 3.2 SHO V6
Ford 3.8 V6 FWD
Mitsubishi 3.0 V6
Chrysler 3.5 300M
Nissan 3.0 V6, '96+ with sensor $200 extra
Subaru 2.7 opposed 6
VW VR6 Passat,Jetta
Acura 90 degree 2.5, 2.7 V6 & 3.2-3.5 V6
Acura 60 degree, 3.0-3.6
Subaru 3.3 opposed 6
Ford Probe Mazda 2.5 DOHC
Toyota 3.0 V6
Ford Contour V6
Izusu V6 3.2

V8 ENGINES
Buick 215, Aluminum
Chevy, Pre '86
Chevy, '86+
Chevy LS1
Ford Windsor
Ford 4.6, 5.4 , V10
Northstar V8, Cadillac or Aurora
Lexus V8

Thats everything thats been bolted to a 901 tranni.. but a 914 is different.. I went down the list when I recieved mine and check marked the one's that I found interesting... lol

Andrew

I should look at it again and plan.. Unless someone wants to sell me their already done conversion that they are looking to sell cheap!! (please, please, please please)

What's cheap? MikeZ just bought a nice runner for under $9k. The lowest price runner I've seen was $5.5k (A guy in SJ sold it on eBay early this year). Craig C. bought a full Renegade kit pretty cheap from 914club classifieds recently. If you have discipline, you can build one on a budget. Just don't expect the same performance of the high dollar conversions. Renegade put $55k in parts about a year ago and it is constantly getting upgraded. Harry's purple bandit is a WILD ride with the Edelbrock motor and Pantera ZF tranny.
Ask your dad to to buy mine for you. I'm looking to start another one!
Felix

Scott from NJ and his Audi 1.8t powered racecar....

Sean914-V8 bought one at the last D&G for 3k running. Its ugly as hell but runs really good. With a little work it will be a nice car. I know of one for sale that was done by Rod Simpson but its been sitting for about 10 years in the high desert. The guy is asking 3k for it too. Sean is interested in picking it up, I sent him pictures of it but he hasnt got back to me on it yet. I think he has been working out of town a lot. He said he wanted it after the pictures. It is a complete car, it just needs to be gone through and cleaned up. 10 years in the desert drys a lot of things out. If Sean doesnt take this car, I will give the info to anyone else who may be interested. I was going to buy it but decided to just put the money into my car instead. I couldnt afford 2 V8 cars.

I had a friend who put a 67 Ford Mustang 289 in one! I was surprised that it bolted right to the 901!

Jeff

Hmmmmmmmmm - a GT40 look-alike

a light rev happy honda type r engine would be fine.. but rotate counter clock wise....


or we can put the new k engine(2.4 accord, tsx) or 2 liter type s, would turn the correct direction. anyone know if the engine is too tall ?? if someone can fab an adapter and clutch, i'll be in to try!

If you use a 911 tranny, it would work.

Andrew

>LS1 ... no aftermarket carb manifolds

There is now - http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/man_chevy_ls1.html . GM also has one, http://www.gmpartsdepot.com/2004new.html , part # 88958675. For me, one of the main reasons to put in an LS1 in the advanced intake, fuel injection and spark control. Not having a distributor is a plus, not a minus.

Jonathan

I'm working on a LS1 conversion now. I have just purchased my 2002 ws6 firebird eng a couple of weeks ago. Haven't had anytime at home to really get started yet.

This is my second 914/v8 conversion and hope this one goes as good as the first.

Bob

Type 1 ...

Don't forget my 3.1 chevy corsica FWD....(not complete yet either ).........

SteveSr

Is it just me or are some of the adapters Kennedy makes more than a little silly?

I mean I really like the Jeep 2.5, but there's not much getting around that it's a heavy, grunting, unbalanced pig. Maybe it's just me but if I'm swapping in a >400# motor I want more the 130hp (with mefi, carb drops it to 90hp). Has that seriously been done? There's a couple others like that in the listing too...

Andy,
Good question, I'd like to know what the hell these are in. These adapters are for various applications beyond engine swaps: kit cars, one off cars, sand rails, maybe parade floats, etc. If they took the time to build an adapter, someone must have asked, paid, and installed it.
Felix

for some people, it might be easier and more cost effective to have an adapter made for an engine they know and already have.

there is also a good chance that the bolt pattern and dimensions of a "popular" engine is the same as a less used or loved engine and Kennedy lists the "other" engine as an alternative knowing they can easily make an adapter.

Oldsmobile F85 had that 215 aluminum V8 engine with iron sleeves as well. I had a 1962 F85 station wagon with that aluminum engine in high school. That was a nifty little V8 and it got great gas mileage for a v8 too.

I have always thought that it would make a nice engine for a 914 conversion for those inclined to v8's.

Here is a link that provides some history on this engine:

http://www.roversd1.nl/sd1web/v8-1.html

Some of the V8 guys would love an all aluminum sbc V8 but costs blow out the cheap hp benefit. I've heard of the 215 conversion but availability and performance options are limited. The old ones are probably corroded and the Rover V8's (Rover, TR8, MG8, TVR) are rare in the US. Plus there were cooling problems but many of us had these.
Felix

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Oldsmobile F85 had that 215 aluminum V8 engine with iron sleeves as well. I had a 1962 F85 station wagon with that aluminum engine in high school. That was a nifty little V8 and it got great gas mileage for a v8 too.

I have always thought that it would make a nice engine for a 914 conversion for those inclined to v8's.

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There were two performance versions of the aluminum Olds 215 V8. 195HP four barrel version, and a 215HP turbocharged, alcohol injected (for cooling) version dubbed "Jetfire." Pretty strong little motors, for their day.

I recall seeing a few (normally aspirated) 215 V8/914 conversions years ago. Rover uses the Buick version, which had different heads than the Olds.

Andy

Hi, I'm new to the group and just found this thread. It really got my interest because I'm just starting on a reverse rotation Corvair engine swap in my 76. For me this is a simple choice since I already have an abundance of Corvair engine parts and my old boss had an adapter plate just laying around. The engine should fit without having to cut any body parts but I will be cutting the front trunck to install an external oil cooler(which I would have done any ways). It looks like a fairly simple swap to me. I'll have to fabricate a motor mount and exhaust system. everything else should bolt right up.

As for the RX7 Roto - Rooter engines there are other rotary engines out there. I have a twin turbo 3 Rotor engine (20B) from a Mazda Cosmo that I am putting into my car. I love the sound and power potential of these engines. For a peek of what one sounds like go here:

20B Revving Video

It makes 300 hp / 300 lb ft torque in stock form and with the stock twins can be safely pushed to 450 hp (with engine management and better fueling). For more power a big single turbo is needed.