I picked up an '96 VR6 to swap into my 914.

Specs of the motor:

6 cylinder, 2.8 liters
175HP w/175 ftlbs of torque (bone stock as of now)
6500 redline (easily 7k with minor work)

not too sure of the wieght of the motor, aluminum head, iron block

overall length of the engine is 21"
the widest part of the block/head assembly is about 9"

with the intake and exhaust, the width of the motor is 20"

from the crank centerline to the top of the motor: 18"
from the crank centerline to the bottom of the pan:8.5"
I half-measured my /4 and from the crank to bottom of the motor mount bar, it looked to be about 8" or so.

it looks like it'll be tight at the top/rear of the engine, it might possibly hit the trunk in the same spot the Chevy V8's distributor hits, luckly, I should have room to move the engine/transmission forward an inch or so if need be.....

front of motor:

"drivers" side (once installed)

rear of engine

Hmm, I'll watch this one closely. This is the swap I would do...
This or a 1.8 turbo...

So, does Momma know?

Bow chicka wow now! (if you dont get it, dont worry)

Honestly I never thought an I 6 would fit. This is one of those with the pisonts kinda over lapping.. So its a v6? I remember you talking about it.

You have to be original eh?

So we talking chip and intake, (obvious exhaust..) Or you thinkin turbo? heh heh, Booooooost..

What about those turbo's you have? (they'll fit a SBC, RIGHT? Flip a switch in 4th gear... hehe, bye bye viper)

Dont ask for your radiator back, I know that you know its too big. lol. (I'll make it work for me. I like it )

So whats your $$ estimate?

Andrew

GET YOUR OWN DAD.

Then I'll race you. And we'll see who's got the betta swap.

Cus you KNOW that puny 951 wont run with me.

Maybe not, but Mikey will be cleaning up at the autocrosses...

I have enough tire... Why cant I beat him? Like we said, aluminum stuff, and he's not more than 100 lbs lighter than me. I'll have sparse interior, fbg stuff....


I can do it. He can too.

I'm looking into the VW Corrado radiator...well, at least a good quality replacement unit....12 or 13 inches tall, and 28 inches wide....perfect fit into the front of the 914......not too sure if it would handle the heat of a higher horsepower V8 or not....the same radiator comes stock with 2 puller fans as well (master/slave fans, one motor, one belt)

technically, it's a straight 6 - IIRC each rod has its own crankthrow.
the 'V' shape is merely an artifact of offsetting every other bore circle.

What gearbox are you gonna use?
Don't tell me you're putting the 914 up on stands again

cheers,

Jeroen

Mike, these radiators may be too tall at 19", but they are really cheap for a nice aluminum radiator.

He just sold me his 19" tall radiator. Its pretty tall, and needs one heck of a slope to fit correctly in the front. Dont plan on putting anything else in there...

Andrew

I think all the majors (C&R, Griffin, AFCO, Fluidyne, Ron Davis) make a 15 1/2" or 16" tall radiator that would not require it to be tilted too severely. I seem to recall it may be a Mustang application.

Andy

dan, my fantasy engine swap was a 924 turbo engine until i was told the engine is too long to install in a 914. isn't the 924 turbo just about the same as the vw 1.8T?

Interesting that the water pump is on the back.

You snag the ECU, as well, or are you planning on using MS to power this thing?

How do the crank centerline to top and bottom dimensions compare to successsful engine swaps like a SBC? I'd like to know so I can compare my V6.

Andrew

That looks like a super engine to use, but is that the timing case on the back?
Rear (flywheel end) clearance sure is going to be "interesting"

I'm looking forward to seeing how it fits.

The odd placement of components is due to it being a transverse motor. This may or may not work to your benefit. Keep us posted on your progress.

Andy

the water pump is on "front" of the motor, they use a pipe/hose which goes to the "side" and "rear" of the motor.

I'll MS this one, I didn't want to deal with the factory ECU (drive-by-wire throttle body)

now I have to find a Ford 6 to grab the EDIS off of....the VR6 has no distributor, so I have to keep it crankfire ignition.

Mike,
Do you have this link: VW swap
I got my engine recently, hope my/your old tranny holds up...
Felix

all right !!!!

the Kennedy Engineering adapter plate and flywheel showed up to HPH today....I also picked up a Stage II 228mm pressure plate from Brad...thanks

Alright!!!

Just dont take as long as erm.. you normally do... lol

i hope to bolt up the transmission to the engine this weekend.........the hardest thing to decide is should I just go all out and start on the conversion or try to get the type IV in the car running perfect and then do the conversion ???? I'm kind of getting tired of working on something i know I'm going to yank out...

(Chant) 6! 6! 6! 6! 6! 6!

I know EXACTLY how you feel....

I hated my T4... working on it was a pain... never could come up with answers...

I got to the point of doing a valve adjustment one day.. and the next day it was worse... then I broke my window... (and my g/f dumped me because I "scared her..".. Im tame if you know me, well cept when I get mad(rare)...).. It was at that point that I decided to stop and start a serious discussion with my parents about the v8 (by parents, I mean no brainstorming with dad.. but a "Mom.. can we do this?" thing...)

I'd say get the 6 running (I know I know... 2-5 months, but its not like you drive it much anyways....).. and map out everything for the 4 turbo and sell it as a project.... But not much we can say to sway your mighty mind of creativity...

MUELLER said
i hope to bolt up the transmission to the engine this weekend.........the hardest thing to decide is should I just go all out and start on the conversion or try to get the type IV in the car running perfect and then do the conversion ???? I'm kind of getting tired of working on something i know I'm going to yank out...


Mike Have you told the wife yet

Mike

Mike,that engine is VERY similar in size to my GM V6 swap. It too was a transverse engine and very tall looking but,my engine lid closes over it very nicely.
I had to cut the fire wall to clear the throttle body and water outlet.
I am using a RX-7 radiator laying down flat and exhausting out the bottom of the trunk. (see Phil Haun's Blue Thunder) Should be a really cool swap

SteveSr

Slap the 4 in and drive it while you iron out any other issues with the engine.

You can also put in almost the entire cooling system before you need to pull the 4banger.

Let me know if/when you need a hand. I'm getting better at building motor mounts :-)

Fiid.

attempted to bolt on the adapter plate today, not sure if KEP made a mistake or the year of my engine is different than what I told them......I can cut the adapter plate to clear the engine part which is protruding, but i want to talk to KEP before to insure I didn't get the wrong part

anotherone

lastone

cool stuff... how's it going?

just waiting to hear back from Kennedy on the adapter plate before I cut away the "offending" material

i bought a '73 /4 last night so that I have a teener to drive......the more I thought about it, i didn't want to put the megasquited /4 back in the current chassis since I'd have to pull it back out again to fit the VR6 motor into it.

YEAH......

I'll be there at 7am.....

Cool

let's see pics mikey!

the wife does not know about it yet

this car, but with steel rims instead
(don't think I want to put the enkies on it since I'd have to pull the fenders out...the enkies rub on my white car)

oh yea...tan interior which goes well with the green....

nice score!

It runs right

Ya!!!

Love it!!!!

Looks like the water outlets will be a clearance problem with the trunk.
I don't know where I put my notes, but I think my Maxima V6 is a bit bigger on all dimensions.
You're engine lid should not be a problem, you can cut the crossbar if really needed. I didn't need to.

I'll have my engine out to do bay painting et al next month so if you need pics or ??? hit me up.

I get to make a new upper intake manifold this winter... I'm trying really, really, hard not to put a turbo in at the same time

As useful as the fab'd upper rad inlet is with it's airbleeder, I sorta wish I used a 96ish Golf rad instead. A little taller at ~14 3/8" but sits flat on top so making a trunk divider would be easier & prettier.

Oh, and don't put the water filler on the pressure side... no matter how well it sits in the bay. Took a long time to figure that bugger out. "Where, O, where is my hot water going??"

Chris

Hey that looks like Patricks car we saw at his shop last weekend.
Felix

Ok, found my notes...

front to mounting face - 20"
tranny overhang - 8" with 11" from top down
top to bottom - 27.5"
oil filter stuck out the front an extra 1.5" but I went with a remote filter.

With the new manifold, tranny overhang will be about 3" which will keep it out of the trunk.

Chris

motor is in the car for test fitting

it's going to be tight, right now the transmission is moved about 1" to 1.5" forward....it looks like I'm going to have to modify the trunk wall a little to play it on the safe side...

asdf

close fit firewall:

tight/interferance rear trunk:

and last one

another view = tight/interferance rear trunk: