billh1963
Dec 3 2011, 05:36 PM
Brought back my third addition last night (1976) and have my first question.
I bought the car knowing that the clutch is not releasing. You can start the car in gear and it drives so the clutch has plenty of grip....we even drove it on the trailer.
The clutch pedal is all the way on the floor. I haven't really looked at it yet. Shouldn't the pedal cluster spring return it? Is this the way the pedal cluster should look? Looks messed up to me....
Jeffs9146
Dec 3 2011, 05:39 PM
broken clutch cable!
billh1963
Dec 3 2011, 05:55 PM
QUOTE(Jeffs9146 @ Dec 3 2011, 06:39 PM)
broken clutch cable!
I was thinking the same thing....but came to that conclusion blindly!
Is that the way pedal should look? Looks like it has been welded....
billh1963
Dec 3 2011, 05:59 PM
URY914
Dec 3 2011, 06:02 PM
If the cable breaks the clutch is released from the flywheel. I think the clutch is rusted and stuck to the flywheel. This happens when a car sits for awhile.
billh1963
Dec 3 2011, 06:54 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Dec 3 2011, 07:02 PM)
If the cable breaks the clutch is released from the flywheel. I think the clutch is rusted and stuck to the flywheel. This happens when a car sits for awhile.
How can I check for these two scenarios and how do I "unfreeze" the clutch?
partwerks
Dec 3 2011, 06:59 PM
Had that happen a couple times in the last 4 months, unfortunately!
It's real fun if it happens when you are driving it......
ripper911
Dec 3 2011, 07:53 PM
The cable is what keeps tension on the clutch pedal.
It will go down to the floor if it is broken or disconnected.
SirAndy
Dec 3 2011, 09:06 PM
Where's your pedal board?
billh1963
Dec 3 2011, 09:16 PM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 3 2011, 10:06 PM)
Where's your pedal board?
MIA
Dave_Darling
Dec 3 2011, 11:23 PM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Dec 3 2011, 04:02 PM)
If the cable breaks the clutch is released from the flywheel. I think the clutch is rusted and stuck to the flywheel. This happens when a car sits for awhile.
The clutch disk can bond itself to the flywheel, true.
But a broken cable means the clutch will
not release.
The spring in the pedal cluster will pull the pedal to the floor when the cable is broken or not there.
The pedal pictured looks close to stock, though it's a little hard to tell from the photo if there has been any welding on it.
--DD
JMKnight
Dec 4 2011, 08:52 AM
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Dec 3 2011, 03:59 PM)
Pretty car
Cap'n Krusty
Dec 4 2011, 10:11 AM
QUOTE(URY914 @ Dec 3 2011, 04:02 PM)
If the cable breaks the clutch is released from the flywheel. I think the clutch is rusted and stuck to the flywheel. This happens when a car sits for awhile.
WHAT?
If the cable breaks, the clutch is in the engaged position, not the released position ................
The Cap'n
ripper911
Dec 4 2011, 10:16 AM
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Dec 4 2011, 11:11 AM)
If the cable breaks, the clutch is in the engaged position, not the released position ................
The Cap'n
When mine broke I was able to start it in gear and drive to a nearby shop.
SLITS
Dec 4 2011, 11:05 AM
According to my assdragger friends, a common problem on 911s is that the roll pin that stakes the cable attachment crank to the pedal shaft breaks. Don't know if this translates to a 914.
Just a thought on the 3rd cup of coffee.
URY914
Dec 4 2011, 02:07 PM
QUOTE(Cap'n Krusty @ Dec 4 2011, 09:11 AM)
QUOTE(URY914 @ Dec 3 2011, 04:02 PM)
If the cable breaks the clutch is released from the flywheel. I think the clutch is rusted and stuck to the flywheel. This happens when a car sits for awhile.
WHAT?
If the cable breaks, the clutch is in the engaged position, not the released position ................
The Cap'n
OK, I had it backwards.
billh1963
Dec 4 2011, 03:57 PM
So...found a receipt where the PO had purchased a new clutch cable in October. Looks like he installed it himself....but didn't finish it. Did not connect it:
Jeffs9146
Dec 4 2011, 04:00 PM
This is about a 0 on a scale of 0-10 to figuring out if the cable is broken!
Reach under the car and grab the cable, pull it away from the firewall and if it is loose it is broken! If it is tight it is something else!
Edit: LOL Never mind!!
billh1963
Dec 4 2011, 04:03 PM
billh1963
Dec 4 2011, 04:06 PM
billh1963
Dec 4 2011, 04:09 PM
billh1963
Dec 4 2011, 04:18 PM
Engine question....
Has a carb on it. Starts very nicely. Make a "squealing" noise when idling which goes away when revved. Generator light stay on and is brighter when lights are turned on or under any electrical load. Squeal coming from alternator?
billh1963
Dec 4 2011, 04:26 PM
DRPHIL914
Dec 4 2011, 06:29 PM
Wow! another one? that makes 3, 2 in the last month!!!! nice color, clutch will be an easy fix, and you might want to take that progressive carb out
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anyway can't wait to see it!!!!
Phil
billh1963
Dec 4 2011, 06:39 PM
QUOTE(Philip W. @ Dec 4 2011, 07:29 PM)
Wow! another one? that makes 3, 2 in the last month!!!! nice color, clutch will be an easy fix, and you might want to take that progressive carb out
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anyway can't wait to see it!!!!
Phil
Phil...this is it for now! I want to restore this one to stock. I'm going to need locate fuel injection for a 1976 914. I am really liking the idea of a/c!
I think I am going to use redshifts's old car as a basis for a a GT look car. With the rust issues I want to put on flares and do some modifications....I may even put in a 6 cylinder!
You'll have to come check out the new car. If you want to buy a set of the Fuchs I picked up let me know.
bdstone914
Dec 4 2011, 07:37 PM
You will need a clutch pivot and two 7mm nuts to install the clutch cable. There is also a metal retainer clip that holds the clutch cable to the bracket.
I have a few sets if 2.0L FI. One or two are 75-76. Let me know if you are interested.
I also have the parts to back date the heat exchangers to the more free flowing dual pipe type.
Bruce
billh1963
Dec 4 2011, 07:52 PM
QUOTE(bdstone914 @ Dec 4 2011, 08:37 PM)
You will need a clutch pivot and two 7mm nuts to install the clutch cable. There is also a metal retainer clip that holds the clutch cable to the bracket.
I have a few sets if 2.0L FI. One or two are 75-76. Let me know if you are interested.
I also have the parts to back date the heat exchangers to the more free flowing dual pipe type.
Bruce
What is the pivot and where do the nuts go? Is the pivot the piece that is on the end of the cable?
PM me on what you need to get for the FI set-up.
Thanks,
Bill
'73-914kid
Dec 4 2011, 10:44 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that plug in the passenger footwell was for the EGR system. At certain mileage intervals (Not sure how many) the box that was in the cubby hole in the foot-rest would turn on a light on one of the gauges stating that the EGR system needed to be serviced at your local Porsche Dealership.
Unneeded at this point given that all the FI and smog equipment is gone.
Dr Evil
Dec 5 2011, 01:29 AM
You have the pivot on the end of the cable already (block with tow triangles on it that slides into the clutch arm), so likely you have the nuts attached. You need the locking washer still. Check a pic in the book, explaining it is difficult and pics are easy.
naro914
Dec 5 2011, 07:54 AM
Bill
Car looks nice!
After reading through the whole thread...doesn't sound like you have a clutch problem anymore, just connect it and you should be OK. The retainer clip is helpful, keeps the cable in the slot where the guide wheel is (see pic) though mine have always had a zip tie on them...
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VaccaRabite
Dec 5 2011, 09:22 AM
The cut out and plug in the passenger floorboard is for the EGR counter. It has probably been bypassed in your car, if your speedo works.
Zach
billh1963
Dec 5 2011, 09:33 AM
QUOTE(naro914 @ Dec 5 2011, 08:54 AM)
Bill
Car looks nice!
After reading through the whole thread...doesn't sound like you have a clutch problem anymore, just connect it and you should be OK. The retainer clip is helpful, keeps the cable in the slot where the guide wheel is (see pic) though mine have always had a zip tie on them...
I have a feeling the PO replaced the clutch cable...and couldn't get the clutch to work. He said the car had sat for a while so I am thinking that the clutch may be frozen to the flywheel...so he just gave up when he replaced the cable and it still didn't work. I can't imagine getting that far (changing the cable and putting on the pieces) and then not finishing up!
Guess I'll find out some night this week....when I get a chance to experiment
billh1963
Dec 5 2011, 09:34 AM
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Dec 5 2011, 10:22 AM)
The cut out and plug in the passenger floorboard is for the EGR counter. It has probably been bypassed in your car, if your speedo works.
Zach
Haven't driven it yet to see...the tach works, at least!
SO does the alternator light....cheerfully glowing red
naro914
Dec 5 2011, 09:41 AM
Or he just didn't adjust it right. There's a fine line between working and not. I also find that with a new cable, after about 100 miles or so, it needs to be re-adjusted/tightened up, once it stretches out a bit.
At least you don't have to take the engine out to fix a frozen clutch like you would with a 911...
SUNAB914
Dec 5 2011, 10:23 AM
In one of your photos, below the relay panel engine compartment drivers side you have a red wire that looks cut. Check it out. Good score on that car!
Dave_Darling
Dec 5 2011, 07:05 PM
As mentioned earlier, the mystery plug in the passenger's footwell is for the CAT/EGR counter. When the car had gone a certain number of miles, the little box in there (which looks to be gone now) would turn on one of two lights in the dash. You were supposed to test the EGR and test (or replace??) the CAT, then press a button on the box to reset the lights. The plug is for those lights.
The squealing is almost certainly your alternator belt. Could be a frozen alternator--the light staying on certainly means it isn't working correctly--or maybe just the belt slipping. Could be from the belt being loose, even. You'll have to check to be sure.
--DD
billh1963
Dec 5 2011, 07:25 PM
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Dec 5 2011, 08:05 PM)
As mentioned earlier, the mystery plug in the passenger's footwell is for the CAT/EGR counter. When the car had gone a certain number of miles, the little box in there (which looks to be gone now) would turn on one of two lights in the dash. You were supposed to test the EGR and test (or replace??) the CAT, then press a button on the box to reset the lights. The plug is for those lights.
The squealing is almost certainly your alternator belt. Could be a frozen alternator--the light staying on certainly means it isn't working correctly--or maybe just the belt slipping. Could be from the belt being loose, even. You'll have to check to be sure.
--DD
I think you are right about the alternator. The light stays on the whole time the car is running. I'll check the belt first.
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