ruddyboys
Feb 19 2012, 03:27 PM
My friend just bought a bus. We got it to his garage and tried to start it. The bus started but ran bad. Found the two middle pushrods on the left side bent. w
What other damage should we look for.
Jake Raby
Feb 19 2012, 03:39 PM
Seized valves and seized rocker arms. Something bent them.
ruddyboys
Feb 20 2012, 07:12 PM
Notice the springs on the bent rods are heavy ditty, would that cause the bending?
Jake Raby
Feb 20 2012, 08:32 PM
Why are two springs different? Look deeper, sounds like someone applied a band aid. Find it before it finds you~
ruddyboys
Feb 20 2012, 08:48 PM
The other springs have a spring in a spring, the only way I can describe them. I guess two broke and were replaced by the heavy duty.
Jake Raby
Feb 20 2012, 09:17 PM
Using dual springs requires head machining. Get some pics of this.
whatabout1
Feb 20 2012, 10:00 PM
You may want to look deeper. Any valve on piston dings ?
jcd914
Feb 21 2012, 02:01 AM
The valve springs could be stopping the valves before the cam has stopped lifting and bent the push rods.
Years ago I assembled a 2.0L bus engine with a pair new aftermarket heads.
Unfortunatly I did not look over the heads closely enough and 1 of the heads had valve springs that were wound out of thicker wire than the other. The valve spring would reach coil bind before the valves could open as far as the cam was trying to open them. Since it was a hydraulic cam set up i did not learn this until after I fire up the motor and the lifters could pump up.
Trashed my cam, lifters, rockers, rocker shafts, bent some of the push rods on that side and tried like heck to tear the valve keepers off the valves. It was quite a mess.
Jim
ruddyboys
Feb 21 2012, 07:49 AM
TheCabinetmaker
Feb 21 2012, 10:12 AM
Is the collar on top of the spring not susposed to go all the way around? Definitely a larger wire on the intake spring. It might be the picture, but the intake seems to leaning to the right.
Katmanken
Feb 21 2012, 12:12 PM
Can a collapsed hydraulic lifter cause one to bend? Loaned my Vanagon to my daughter and she successfully bent a pushrod. Valve and rocker both moved.
She drives like a maniac, never changed the oil, and said "Here is the van back, it's been making a clattering noise for awhile" Thought it was a collapsed lifter and changed the oil and tried to pump the lifters back up up by running it.
Pulled the pushrod and it was bent- which made the length shorter. Straightened the pushrod using an old trick used by precision shaft makers to get straightness, and the rod still seemed to be too short for the old adjustment. That pointed to the collapsed lifter which was then pulled and bled. Still rattles on startup until the lifters pump up, and quiets down.
ruddyboys
Feb 21 2012, 12:20 PM
Looks more like the Heavy Duty Springs. The 2 on the left had the HD Springs and on the right there was a slight bend on one that also had the heavy duty spring. All new OEM springs are ordered.
McMark
Feb 21 2012, 01:37 PM
Looks like Jim is right. Coil bind looks likely.
Jake Raby
Feb 21 2012, 02:51 PM
WOW!!! Those springs and retainers don't even match.. The springs don't even appear to be the same wire diameter. Take this apart and get to the bottom of it, thats scary. Who ever did this had no clue what they were doing.
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