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Todd Enlund
That's pretty sweet, Jamie. Love the vintage Dymo tape labels.

The wheels are really cool. Westerns?
rick 918-S
Evil must have been over welding on that thing... hide.gif
messix
QUOTE(JRust @ Jul 7 2013, 09:04 PM) *

QUOTE(boxstr @ Jul 7 2013, 08:19 PM) *

Jamie, congratulations, you have a 914 with a Corvallis motor.
I hope you didn't spend all of your money, I found a sweet 280 Z with a 350 chev V8 in Walla Walla.
It's on my list under cars for sale.
Craig at CAMP

Are you fuching with me? You know I have a 280z with a 350 v8 in it 'm trying to sell confused24.gif

fish on!

boxstr
Hey, you have more than one 914. Why not more than one Z car, with a V8??
Craig at CAMP
Mike Bellis
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 7 2013, 09:26 PM) *

Evil must have been over welding on that thing... hide.gif

I thought those intake manifolds looked familiar... happy11.gif
Dave_Darling
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 7 2013, 09:26 PM) *

Evil must have been over welding on that thing...


Funny, that's just what I was thinking! Manifolds courtesy of Dr. E!

--DD
Mr.242
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Jul 7 2013, 09:55 PM) *

QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 7 2013, 09:26 PM) *

Evil must have been over welding on that thing...


Funny, that's just what I was thinking! Manifolds courtesy of Dr. E!

--DD


Same welding school?
Dr Evil
He missed the class on grinding down the welds. dry.gif

Other than the tail shifter, it looks like a fun ride. Why does it have the stock FI pump up front, but carbs installed???
JRust
QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Jul 8 2013, 09:59 AM) *

He missed the class on grinding down the welds. dry.gif

Other than the tail shifter, it looks like a fun ride. Why does it have the stock FI pump up front, but carbs installed???

Yeah no clue there. He's got a regulator setup in back. Just seems like alot of pressure to be running back to the regulator. When a cheap electric pump for carbs would do the job. I'll be redoing all the fuel lines too eventually.

Hey Mike where is the temp gage setup usually on the corvair motor? Is there a CHT? Or an oil temp gage the norm? If oil temp gage where is there a stock spot it get's the reading?
sixnotfour
Or the fuel pump is from a 911-914-6, pressure just right.
JRust
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Jul 8 2013, 11:11 AM) *

Or the fuel pump is from a 911-914-6, pressure just right.

Didn't think of that. I assumed they had a different fuel pump dry.gif . Of course I've never had a real 6 to gage it against
sixnotfour
look at the end of it--0580960009
SLITS
Did you get a spare set of rubber main bearings with it?***




















There are a few here who might remember that classic thread.
JRust
Drove it around for a good hour tonight around town. Man was getting some looks. Car kind of looks like crap. Then the occasional backfire evilgrin.gif . MY daughter was even with me. She's a keeper she just laughed along with me. Didn't even try to slink down in her seat happy11.gif
Dr Evil
QUOTE(SLITS @ Jul 8 2013, 06:55 PM) *

Did you get a spare set of rubber main bearings with it?***




















There are a few here who might remember that classic thread.


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r3dplanet
It looks to have a remote oil cooler. Where did they put the cooler?

When you get a chance, can you get some pics of the engine mount setup? Or, you know, maybe take some measurements?

-m.
JRust
QUOTE(r3dplanet @ Jul 8 2013, 11:31 PM) *

It looks to have a remote oil cooler. Where did they put the cooler?

When you get a chance, can you get some pics of the engine mount setup? Or, you know, maybe take some measurements?

-m.

I'll get measurments. They just used the stock early motor mount bar. Looks like they just retrofitted the side bolts a little wider than stock. Then welded on the tab for the front of the motor. It's effective enough but I'll be doing something a little nicer.

I also am going to swap out the tailshifter. I've got a nice sideshift with a cable shift setup (Thanks to Mike Bellis). I was going to put that on my LS1 but think I'll use it on this instead. Was planning to do a Boxter tranny at some point for my LS1 anyway.
Mike Bellis
QUOTE(JRust @ Jul 9 2013, 09:21 AM) *

I'll get measurements. They just used the stock early motor mount bar. Looks like they just retrofitted the side bolts a little wider than stock. Then welded on the tab for the front of the motor. It's effective enough but I'll be doing something a little nicer.

I also am going to swap out the tailshifter. I've got a nice sideshift with a cable shift setup (Thanks to Mike Bellis). I was going to put that on my LS1 but think I'll use it on this instead. Was planning to do a Boxter tranny at some point for my LS1 anyway.

I'll give you a great deal on an Audi 5 speed too!
JRust
QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Jul 9 2013, 05:44 PM) *

I'll give you a great deal on an Audi 5 speed too!

Yeah those short gears would work great for me blink.gif happy11.gif . I'll be keeping my eye's open for a nice 6 speed. I'm in no rush though. I'm going to concentrate on this 914 for a while. Then work on painting my LS1 car. Not going to do anything more on the LS1 conversion until I finish this car.
JRust
Excited to start work on my 914 later today. My push for RRC is officially on chowtime.gif
Mike Bellis
QUOTE(JRust @ Jul 10 2013, 07:11 AM) *

QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Jul 9 2013, 05:44 PM) *

I'll give you a great deal on an Audi 5 speed too!

Yeah those short gears would work great for me blink.gif happy11.gif . I'll be keeping my eye's open for a nice 6 speed. I'm in no rush though. I'm going to concentrate on this 914 for a while. Then work on painting my LS1 car. Not going to do anything more on the LS1 conversion until I finish this car.

It's a matter of HP & Torque... The gearing is too low for my 350hp turbo engine. It would be great for a 100-150 hp engine. It would not work well for your LS1 conversion. Here are the specs, not sure how this compares to a 901...

EZG- Final/ 3.7
ratio/ overall
1/ 3.778/ 13.98
2/ 2.16/ 7.99
3/ 1.429/ 5.29
4/ 1.029/ 3.81
5/ 0.838/ 3.10
JRust
I managed to get some work done today. Started by making room in the shop for my cars. That took about 2 hours as it was a mess from my move. Just threw alot in there as I was pressed for time.

Next I brought in the black 75 that has the nice 5-lug setup on it. Got it up on the lift & pulled the complete suspension front & back. Yes it is on 4 jackstands that are sitting on harbor freight dollies. I would never crawl under it like it is. It is solid but space is tight & I needed to push it over to make room for the blue 914. Plus it made it easier to slide my scissor lift out from under it. Added a few pics of the reason the black car is a Donor icon8.gif

Next the Blue car went up on the lift. Pulls the rear suspension. Managed to screw up one shock int he trunk. Couldn't break that nut free & made the mistake of using vise grips on the very top to hold it in place headbang.gif . Oh well they were well used shocks anyway. Ended up cutting the sucker off. Got the rear trailing arms on & realized I didn't have new CV joint Gaskets. So I've got a couple things to get order from Pelican.

Overall a solid day but I am tired & called it quits. Absolutely great to spend a day working on my car. Been months since I have done any wrenching biggrin.gif

Dr Evil
A stock 901 will do nice for your engine wink.gif
JRust
QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Jul 13 2013, 08:04 PM) *

A stock 901 will do nice for your engine wink.gif

I'm putting in Mike's Cable shift 901. Basically stock besides a nice "H" gear for 5th biggrin.gif
McMark
Are you saying you trashed a perfectly good KYB? yikes.gif

For shame!
JRust
Got both rear trailing arms with the 5lug setup installed now. I'll be installing SS Brake lines tomorrow. I also plan to get the front suspension installed. Just got my new front Rotors from PMB wub.gif . Just waiting on the pads but nothing that will keep me front getting it on my car.

I also just picked up some Metal GT flares from Brett. Not sure if I am going to rush & get those on. Once the suspension is complete & it rolls again. I'll be pulling the drivetrain. I'm missing most the engine tin. I'm looking for a complete set of tin. I know I'll be customizing all of it for the engine bay. Not a huge deal there but be easier to do right with a stock set there.

JRust
I installed the front suspension. Replaced the passenger side rotor & repacked the bearings. Just need to change out the brake pads which weren't even that worn. Good to have it all fresh though. Was hoping to get to the drivers side tonight. Not gonna happen though. Oh well looks like saturday I'll finish it up. Bleed the brakes & take it for a spin driving.gif
JRust
Okay so the while I was in there bug is kicking in. During the 5lug swap I decided to get some new front rotors. Which had me order new pads. After installing the rotors & going to do the pads. My calipers looked like they needed a rebuild. So they are packed & will be on there way to PMB on monday. Luckily he has some cores allready so mine will also shipping to me on monday. Along with some speed bleeders for all 4 corners ( i love those things wub.gif ). My original plan was to get the supension done & on the road. Then tackle a few other things. That has changed too

Pulling my CV's to repack both ends. Next is the tranny coming out for it's replacement 901 with a cableshift & an "h" gear for 5th piratenanner.gif . My headers are coming off for some work. Had an exhaust leak causing a backfire. Which they are so tight to my engine bar I can't just pull them off. I'll need to actually drop the motor to get them off. Well I may as well. I could just pop the motor off the mount an inch to get them. At that point it's easier to just drop the whole thing. Which leads me to cleaning up the motor & checking for leaks. along with customizing some engine tin. With only a month to go until RRC I am pushing things a bit. What else is new. Wouldn't be to bad if I didn't just have saturdays to get things done.

I also want to add some type of remote oil cooler. I'm a little worried about the heat on the trip. I'd feel a little better with a bigger oil cooler.
JRust
Okay made a little progress. Well sort of. Took a few steps back to do it. Ordered turbo tie rods from PMB along with getting my front calipers rebuilt. Got both of those in the mail before the weekend. I took my son up to Seattle for a much needed father son trip. So the teener didn't get any work done over the weekend. Got into it last night a bit though.

Pulled the front suspension off again. My old tie rods didn't want to come off. To tight of space in there with the suspension on. Since I hadn't hooked up the brakes yet. Easy enough to just drop it. So I did just that. Swapped out the Tie rods. Then pulled my Master Cylinder. I'll be replacing it with a 19mm one. As soon as I find the damn thing in my stash dry.gif . Hopefully that will be tonight. Then the suspension will go back on. After that my beautiful rebuilt PMB calipers will go on. Then I can bleed the brakes & call the suspension good piratenanner.gif
JRust
Made some progress today. Huge thanks to Marcus for coming down today & helping. I owe you bud beerchug.gif . We swapped out my Master cylinder for a 19mm one. Reinstalled the front suspension. Installed my newly restored PMB brake calipers. I'd already replaced my front rotors. So my front end had a nice upgrade. Not only with the nice 5lug SC front end. But the new rotor's, Porterfield pads, Turbo tie rods & the restored calipers piratenanner.gif . I also put on my new speed bleeders. Then spent a while bleeding the brake system.

With that done I am on to pulling the drivetrain. I've got a few gaskets to replace. Then swapping the old tailshift for a newer sideshift converted to cableshift. The drivetrain will be coming out this week sometime.
JRust
SOme more brake porn
JRust
Dropped my drivetrain today! I ordered a few gaskets & exhaust donuts. I should have them this week. I pulled the old sloppy tailshift tranny. I've got to replace the tailcone gasket on the one replacing it. Then route my cables. I think I will just run them through the hole the shift rod comes through. This overall setup is definitely different.

I really don't like the belt setup. They are known for throwing them. Would be a pretty quick swap. With the way the oil cooler is setup. That wont be such a simple thing. I'll need to do some rerouting or something there. I'm not going to mess with the setup to much though. Just going to run the motor pretty much as is. I wanted a driver while I work on the LS1. I don't want to be sinking money into this to the point my LS1 get's put off more.

Here are a few pics of the motor out on the stand. I have to admit having a lift is so damn awesome. Between my lift & my hydrolic table on wheels. It was absolutely easy to pull. Can't believe how many years I wasted lying on my back. Jacking up side to side to get it high enough to drop. I wub.gif my lift
Dr Evil
Before you talk shit about the belt configuration, do some research. If installed and adjusted correctly they throw as often as other belts. This is a superior setup and you dont have to tweak it. Check with the real corvair guys, they are a wealth of knowledge.
JRust
QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Aug 18 2013, 06:21 PM) *

Before you talk shit about the belt configuration, do some research. If installed and adjusted correctly they throw as often as other belts. This is a superior setup and you dont have to tweak it. Check with the real corvair guys, they are a wealth of knowledge.

I'm happy to read up on it & have. I don't mean to be harsh on the setup. I'm fine with it if it works. Maybe some of the stuff I've read is urban legend crap with the belts. Or just guys who didn't have it setup right. Just looking at my setup with the remote oil filter. Those lines go through the middle of the belt. If I did happen to throw a belt. It wouldn't be so easy to swap. So I need to configure that setup so that won't be a problem. Of course if it never throws a belt it is fine the way it is smile.gif .

I consider you to be one of those real Corvair guys Mike. So feel free to chime in anytime. I've PM'd you a couple times with questions with no reply. I know your a busy guy so no biggie. When you get time shoot me a reply smile.gif
r3dplanet
Hey, can you post a good close up pic of right where your oil lines leave the front engine case? I've never seen such a close cut job on that and I'm super curious how it's set up. I can see now that any remote oil filter will have lines that sit in between the belt.

Let me know when you get your parts from Clark's?

-marcus
JRust
Here are a few Marcus
JRust
Sorry I bought a Mac & haven't figured out the resizing program yet sad.gif
r3dplanet
Super interesting. I took some photos on the piece in question. You can see with the aid of my unparalleled Photoshop skillz what the top and bottom of the holes that were modified for your setup look like.

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Note that big hole houses one of two oil pressure relief valves. I have a worry that perhaps you might be missing one if the PO just drilled this out and welded on a fitting. It does have the advantage of clearing the firewall with ease and I like that they point straight up. I also like that the PO took the time to install an oil pressure sender, so he must have been cognizant of the oil pressure issue at some unmeasured depth of his psyche.

On other conversions (incl Dr. Evil?) I've seen that the oil filter is simply cut where I show the red line and then two -AN or other fittings are drilled and threaded into the two corresponding tubes. I realize that the more I learn about your engine the more work I make for you. Sorry.

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Dr Evil
Yup, I keep the pressure valve. Just cut the filter housing off and put fittings on.
Dr Evil
The above is a bit more elaborate than what you need. Root hooked me up with adding aluminum to the adapter so it could be tapped for NPT nipples.
Dr Evil
Few more.
montoya 73 2.0
I grew up riding in a corvair and I can not recall ever stopping due to a thrown belt? Great motors and reliable as long as you maintenance regularly. I had just looked at and contemplating buying a rampside truck, similar to below;

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Dr Evil
I do love those. Great for getting motorcycles.
JRust
QUOTE(montoya 73 2.0 @ Aug 19 2013, 02:56 PM) *

I grew up riding in a corvair and I can not recall ever stopping due to a thrown belt? Great motors and reliable as long as you maintenance regularly. I had just looked at and contemplating buying a rampside truck, similar to below;

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That is pretty damn cool. Unless it could tow my 914 easily it will never happen though blink.gif . Still a damn cool truck
montoya 73 2.0
I'm trying to trade instead of giving money for the truck. I don't know about towing (maybe if you had the supercharged 150 horse) but it would be good for loading up those parts for swap meet time!

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