I figure I will start the build thread. I have the 18 X18 X1 inch plate for the adapter I need to get this sent up to Rick so He can grind it into shape while I get the engine running consistantly I have already sold off some of the 928 parts to fund this thing. I will update this thread as we go along this pathway to fun.

that is a big chunk of aluminum....cost if I may ask??

Where did you get that cool trans-engine jack? Is it for motorcycles- atv's?
DH

The lift came from Sams club. It was around $150 or so. I have a thread the perfict gift that has the company that made it. They sell it for M/C and ATV. The chunk of AL. was $130.00

A search for keyword and username using sams and user name "spare time toys" reveals:
The perfect gift thread

thanks for the link. Here is the movie the name comes from.

Cool.. but check your your archive pm's from Nov 7 2004, 08:03 AM. The aluminum should be 1/2". I thought you emailed me on 2004/11/14 Sun PM 07:13:02 That you had 18"X 18" X 0.5.

Just checking up on you. Are you planning on visting in January?

Well shoot I had a brain fart. We got the 0.5 at work but I got to thinking again and convinced myself it was 1 inch and since we didnt have that I had the supplier get me the 1 inch stuff. What a butt head I should have checked. We are still planing on coming up in Jan. What will I need to bring for the oil pan We have lots of big scrap at work. I think Ill paint slow down and think on this 1 inch chunk and hang it on the wall

Sorry, I hoped you just incorrectly typed the thickness. Back to the drawing board... You'll need 1/2"

Just bring the pan I should have a couple of 1/8" pieces of aluminum laying around here for the modification. Bring your transaxle If you want me to cut it. I'm still working on the cutting instructions If you want to take a stab at it yourself.

Just a quick update on this car. It may not get the 928 motor. It might go in the Nuclear Banana instead I will know after I get it up on jacks. It may have floor pan problems and if so PLAN 9 would be a go for the v8. The flywheel made it on the second try now Ill box it up with the one form the 1.7 and ship them to Rick so he can do his thing to them. I will go see him the end of Jan and take the trans to cut it dowk and do the engine mount mod. I hope I remember how to dress for northern winters its been since 1984 that I lived in centeral Wis. Note to self put block heater in the Jetta. Nay way this is the flywheel I needed and some shots of the floor of the Banana

whoops the kids are bugging me

Another being from outer space! Cool! I will have to follow this thread for sure!

the flywheel I needed

Jan 17 2005 I figure its time to bring this up to date. I have the engine out of the 928 I got from Scott out in Cal back at Thanksgiving time I am having to pull the heads off and take to a shop because some of the exhaust studs are broken off.

This is one of the bad studs

Rick is hard at work making the needed parts up on his end Here is what he is doing to the oil pan. There is NO WAY I could do this swap with out HIS help and guidance THANKS Rick

another

yummy!

Asides from the wrong-sized plate of aluminum and exhaust studs, no other problems yet i presume?

some of the work being done to the flywheel

I have made the decision the engine is going into PLAN 9 as was the original plan. The Nuclear Banana is on hold untill this one is done. It will be parked sideways in the front of the doghouse as soon as the 928 is all apart and gone. I have a nice Momo seat coming and will post pics of it when it comes in.

QUOTE (Brando @ Jan 17 2005, 09:21 PM)

yummy! Asides from the wrong-sized plate of aluminum and exhaust studs, no other problems yet i presume?

No just the normal snag here and there Like need a special tool or more than just me to do something and have to motovate the boys

Could you please explain the need for modifying the oil pan???

Thanx

Rich

The oil pan on the 928 motor sticks out the front like a big foot It hits all the cable tubes coming out of the firewall. The sides buldgeout as well. The left side needs to be trimmed for the shift linkage. Even with the trim on the left side I needed to use tail shift linkage to get the added couple of inches the fire wall pivot adds. The movement is the same from the side shift to the tail shift. I just added the side shift end onto the linkage. Also the drain plug is on the left. I needs to be moved to the right side again for the shift linkage. Worked for me.

Larry, I was going to suggest you move these photos over to your post.

Rich,
you are certainly a guy with balls.

I want to ask a question regarding length..

I am 6'2" and a really want to do this conversion,but I cannot give up any of my seat room.

Is there anything on the front of the engine that could be relocated, run remotely, or deleted that might make it shorter and thereby not require the firewall being cut away?

I have thought of putting two cars together and adding the 5 inches to the door area...I think it would be the easiest place to hide it.

Then the firewall can be moved, but not with a stock pan.

Rich

r_towle response:

Larry,

Post that picture of the tape measure on the head rest. I can't find the copy on my computer. Larry is tall also. I think I recall something like this. Rock the seat forward then move it back until the headrest is about 4 3/4 " from the base of the back glass. If you fit you can do this conversion. If you need your seat against the backpad forget it. There is a couple of engineers in CA. that moved the motor back so far they needed to lengthen the trailing arms 5" I never like the look personally. I thought the car looked like a tow truck without the boom. I have a photo on another computer.

looking at that motor on the stand...and given that you already cut the oil pan...

All the rest looks like it can be moved except the timing belt.
And it looks to b about 4+ inches (i am sure its not all that much, but its something.)

Can you take a couple of shots of the front of the motor??

Close front view and side view please?????

Rich

Search through this thread about my car. There should be several shots that will give you a better idea of the engine placement. If you still need more PM me and I'll try to get you what you need. check page 10 and page 16

alien conversion thread

I have been over to see the motor for this project. I have not seen Rick's Alien. Looking at the motor on the stand, it looks like it could be backed up farther than Rick has his. The difference being that Rick's 928 is using CIS, and the fuel distributor is located on the back of the motor. Larry's motor is using DME, and the only thing back there is the AFM, and it could be put in the rear trunk. Just my opinion, but I think it could be backed up about 5 or 6 inches to add to the front clearance. Longer half shafts would make up for the difference in the transmission location.


Just my .02......

yes, I think the motor can move back if you sacrifice the rear trunk. My goal was to try and maintain as much of the rear trunk as I could. I also wanted to maintain the stock type muffler location. In moving the assembly back you may want to fab a transfer case on both axle flanges to avoid the extreme angle on the axle. This could also be used to change the final drive ratio without the use of the "H" gear. Just early morning rambling..... Later

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 18 2005, 12:36 AM)

r_towle response: Larry, Post that picture of the tape measure on the head rest. I can't find the copy on my computer. Larry is tall also. I think I recall something like this. Rock the seat forward then move it back until the headrest is about 4 3/4 " from the base of the back glass. If you fit you can do this conversion. If you need your seat against the backpad forget it. There is a couple of engineers in CA. that moved the motor back so far they needed to lengthen the trailing arms 5" I never like the look personally. I thought the car looked like a tow truck without the boom. I have a photo on another computer.

I guess in one of my fits of email thinning I must have removed it. But it was like 4.5 inches. Also there was the tip about putting a tape from door to door and bring the seat back with out busting the tape and that is just abour where it should be.

I am not really interested in moving it so far back that the angle of the axles becomes to extreme, nor do I want to make some sort of transfer cases.

So...What can come off the front of the motor.

I know that the timing belts must stay.

Looks like the water pump could be replaced with electric.

What is on the bottom? run by a fan belt???
Is that the alternator? I cant make it out in any of the pics..

Just trying for a few more inches, looks like I could get two or three inches off the front with a little relocation engineering...
I just might do this after all..

Rich

QUOTE (r_towle @ Jan 18 2005, 08:44 PM)

I am not really interested in moving it so far back that the angle of the axles becomes to extreme, nor do I want to make some sort of transfer cases. So...What can come off the front of the motor. I know that the timing belts must stay. Looks like the water pump could be replaced with electric. What is on the bottom? run by a fan belt??? Is that the alternator? I cant make it out in any of the pics.. Just trying for a few more inches, looks like I could get two or three inches off the front with a little relocation engineering... I just might do this after all.. Rich

The Alt. is on the bottom and runs with a wide belt but it does not stick out that much. The water pump runs off the cam belt and you would not gain by going remote because of the way it is in the block The cam drives are the critical length because the way the firewall tilts back.

ok...
Im shopping for a motor.
If theres one out west and one in the middle, we need one on the east coast too.

Which motor would be best?

I have seen on demicks site that he has developed individual throttle bodies for the 928 engine....that would look sweet, even better that the cool snake of a manifold it has now...

Hey, If I do this, we all need to go to the next shark festival and crash the party

Rich

Another sharkster! YES!!!!!!

Well, the only good thing to know about 928 engines is all 32V engines are interference engines...lose that belt and it get's real expensive. Euro 16V engines are also interference engines. 16V US spec engines are non-interference...belt breaks and you are ok.

In the 16V non-interference engines i'd get an 83-84 4.7L with L-jet. Most HP in the 16V US spec range, easy fuel injection setup.

Just got back into town from a 3 hr white knuckle ride up I35. Here's the photo of the head rest. I moved the transaxle back 1.5" I don't know how much more you can move it before the axles are compermised. I removed everything off the front of the motor I could. I have one pulley on the balancer. You can't remove the cam gears. They are the furthest point forward.

QUOTE (jim912928 @ Jan 18 2005, 07:16 PM)

Another sharkster! YES!!!!!! Well, the only good thing to know about 928 engines is all 32V engines are interference engines...lose that belt and it get's real expensive. Euro 16V engines are also interference engines. 16V US spec engines are non-interference...belt breaks and you are ok. In the 16V non-interference engines i'd get an 83-84 4.7L with L-jet. Most HP in the 16V US spec range, easy fuel injection setup.

Everyone wants a Euro motor. However there are guys out there that really race these cars that have made some hybrd engines. Like taking a block from the 4 valve engines 5.0L and putting 16V heads on it from a 4.7L engine and getting ahold of the 84 - 85 Euro intake and throttle body and EFI stuff.

QUOTE (spare time toys @ Dec 4 2004, 07:25 AM)

Here is the movie the name comes from.

here's a slightly larger version of the poster. too bad i don't have the original ...

Andy

Dude--you are soo good with this--just do like the fiero guys putting lambo bodies on their cars--S-T-R-E-T-C-H-it---you would have even more of a one off--and think about what the extra wheelbase would do for straight line stability!!!

It would not be difficult for you--just graft in new long sections between the jack point and the upturn--its a straight shot, have engmann lengthen his indoor strengtheners and VOILA--stretched!!! All the clearance you would need!!

Just trying to get you to do it is all!!!

While Rick is up working in the cold I am down here with the Dog House doors wide open. This is what I got into today. I pulled more stuff off to get ready to take the heads off so I can get them over to the shop and get the exhaust studs replaced.

Some of the 928 guys said to watch out for the pucks when you take the cam tower off. Well only one fell out but they are those round things that go over the valve spring and have a spot in the center that matches the valve tip.

I took the spider off

Now Ill polish or powder coat this stuff

What a cool motor! I'm looking forward to tearing mine down. Not going to happen before the WCC 05 though.

Tomorow OFF with the heads

While you are in there You can portmatch the intake and exhaust ports. Get a few thousands milled off the head to bump some compression.

QUOTE (Joe Ricard @ Jan 19 2005, 07:39 PM)

While you are in there You can portmatch the intake and exhaust ports. Get a few thousands milled off the head to bump some compression.

SHHHH Thats some of the stuff that is in TOP SECRET negotiations with the undisclosed shop guy.

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 18 2005, 09:23 PM)

Just got back into town from a 3 hr white knuckle ride up I35. Here's the photo of the head rest. I moved the transaxle back 1.5" I don't know how much more you can move it before the axles are compermised. I removed everything off the front of the motor I could. I have one pulley on the balancer. You can't remove the cam gears. They are the furthest point forward.

ok, so where is the dumb end of the tape???

Glass or metal?
Or upolstery?

Rich

QUOTE (r_towle @ Jan 19 2005, 06:35 PM)

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 18 2005, 09:23 PM) Just got back into town from a 3 hr white knuckle ride up I35. Here's the photo of the head rest. I moved the transaxle back 1.5" I don't know how much more you can move it before the axles are compermised. I removed everything off the front of the motor I could. I have one pulley on the balancer. You can't remove the cam gears. They are the furthest point forward. ok, so where is the dumb end of the tape??? Glass or metal? Or upolstery? Rich

glass

thank you, i will go measure now...

I cant believe you lost all those pics on your pc, bummer...i bet there where some great ones of the kids.

I rebuilt a beetle with/for my son...a 72 super, pan off, the whole deal..lots of welding blah blah blah..

He was almost a total PITA when we did it, but afterwards he wrote a paper about it for school that
I found and he said some really nice things and he will always remember it....plus I was able to teach him how to fix his own car in the process...

I have two more boys, next one has his learners permit, so he wants the 67 122s in the back...that will start as soon as i can touch the motor without freezing to it.

Third one really wants muscle....early 60's

It can be so much fun sharing this hobby with kids.
I strongly agree with the theraputic quality of fixing cars.

Rich

Well I got the head off on the left side today before the enging reared its ugly head again no pun intended.