I haven't seen a 928 on the road in years... I see maybe 2 or 3 914s a year.
There is a beautiful later model 944/968 that I see driven around the area lately.
I loved the later 928s... like the S4 or GTS..
76-914
Apr 3 2014, 02:59 PM
What's the deal? That looks just like the one in your first pic.
Chris H.
Apr 3 2014, 03:05 PM
That's the second one I've seen today!
They are getting scarce on the roads, but I noticed we have quite a few 928s on Craigslist for cheap...people are afraid of the engines I think (maintenance).
Dave_Darling
Apr 3 2014, 03:18 PM
Porsches I don't see frequently:
- Tractors. Junior, Senior--any kind of Porsche tractor is a rarity. I will sometimes see one at a PCA concours, or other special event. (I bet there'll be at least one at Parade!) - Race cars. 550, RSK, 904, 908, 917, 962. I can find them at vintage race events, and at the larger PCA events like Parade. You don't find them anywhere else, really. - Pre-A 356es. They didn't make very many, and any that are not rotted to pieces are worth quite a bit of $$. Again, you can see them at larger PCA events. - Number 1. I've seen it four times that I can recall. Once at the Factory museum, once at Parade (I think!), and twice at Monterey-weekend events. - Gmund coupes. You don't even see these at every Parade!! - America Roadsters. Damned few of them made, fewer still actually around.
And, of course, nearest and dearest to our hearts: - 916. With eleven made, and most of the ones that exist buried in collections around the world, it's a rare thing indeed to see a real one...
--DD
Qarl
Apr 3 2014, 03:36 PM
You California people don't count. Too many Porsche cars out there!
All us east coaster have rusted 50% of our cars away.
iamchappy
Apr 3 2014, 04:03 PM
I've been thinking about getting a 928 forever, i know they can be an electrical nightmare, and most of the interiors are toast. Unless you can afford the last models im kinda afraid of them.
Heres one that could be a project car. And heres a tractor also
I still see pretty much everything regularly including some on DD's list. You longtime members may recall what I'm talking about.
However, disregarding special cases, I have definitely noticed there are fewer and fewer early cars being driven on public roads.
Data point - my father in law has a pristine 1-owner 356C he only drives a few times a year. Unfortunately I think that has become typical among the 356 and early/rare car crowd. The cars have become more valuable, the owners older, and the other drivers on the road more clueless and distracted...
Steve
Apr 3 2014, 04:52 PM
I'm pretty spoiled in the OC. Cars and Coffee has all these cars regularly. PCA OC also has the tractor out at every major PCA event. They even had it in the last Laguna Niguel Christmas Parade. But it is pretty rare to see these cars out in traffic.
bandjoey
Apr 3 2014, 05:48 PM
It's a beautiful car. If I didn't have all my money tied up in kids and college..: so what are the issues $$ to owning one?
TJB/914
Apr 3 2014, 06:44 PM
It's been sitting in Manistee, MI a long time. Don't know the history??
Tom
rick 918-S
Apr 3 2014, 06:47 PM
QUOTE(iamchappy @ Apr 3 2014, 05:03 PM)
I've been thinking about getting a 928 forever, i know they can be an electrical nightmare, and most of the interiors are toast. Unless you can afford the last models im kinda afraid of them.
Heres one that could be a project car. And heres a tractor also
How about the best of both worlds?... BTW: I don't see this Porsche enough either.
poorsche914
Apr 3 2014, 07:07 PM
QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Apr 3 2014, 05:18 PM)
Porsches I don't see frequently:
-- ...snip...
And, of course, nearest and dearest to our hearts: - 916. With eleven made, and most of the ones that exist buried in collections around the world, it's a rare thing indeed to see a real one...
--DD
I have never seen any of those rarities on your list but I have ridden in a real 916 on the Dragon Click to view attachment
Larmo63
Apr 3 2014, 07:35 PM
A good friend of mine here in Southern California has a Beutler Porsche 2 door sedan, a 4 cam speedster, a twin grille D'Leteren(?) Roadster, and a coach built VW sportscar Rommetsch (?).... Wow, what a garage! He has more stuff and other killer cars too, but the 4 cam is my favorite.
I see 356's almost daily in Orange County, not so much 914's. Like never.
Chris H.
Apr 3 2014, 07:36 PM
QUOTE(bandjoey @ Apr 3 2014, 06:48 PM)
It's a beautiful car. If I didn't have all my money tied up in kids and college..: so what are the issues $$ to owning one?
The timing belt of course just as with the 944. If it hasn't been changed most people run away. Many of the parts are "928 only" so they can be expensive. Radiators for example are listed on Pelican from $1400 to $2627... And they are known for electrical issues as chappy mentioned, but this is probably somewhat related to how well the car was cared for.
Having said that I agree they are beautiful. Still regret not buying the '86 that was right down the street from me for ~$2k OBO without an engine. Easy LS1 swap there.... What was I thinking?
zambezi
Apr 3 2014, 08:28 PM
I have been daily driving my 1982 928 since 2006. Very reliable and fun. The paint is faded, the interior is gutted, but for shear driving fun, its perfect. Electrical issues are almost always from DAPO's. The very first things I did in 2006 when I got it was go through all the electrics to make sure things worked and haven't had to touch it since. The A/C also works perfectly since I filled it in 2006. Not sure how many miles I have because I have had to fix the odometer gears twice, but I am sure it is well over 200,000 miles.
orthobiz
Apr 3 2014, 08:34 PM
QUOTE(Qarl @ Apr 3 2014, 05:36 PM)
You California people don't count. Too many Porsche cars out there!
All us east coaster have rusted 50% of our cars away.
Plus, of the 50% left, 50% of them have rusted away. SALTSALTSALTSALT
Paul
JamesM
Apr 3 2014, 08:57 PM
After recently picking up a 931 I would have to say what I never see is any 924, especially non S ones. They are just not around and I cant think of the last time a saw a running one, even at Porsche events. 928, 968, 356, 914s sure, but NEVER a 924.
JeffBowlsby
Apr 3 2014, 10:04 PM
I recently picked up a 1981 35K mile original paint 928 for my daily driver, it was not expensive and is in excellent condition. 928's are another one of Porsche's redheaded stepchildren - they are misconstrued, most P-philes don't understand and rag on them. Still a great car with a lot of value if you can find the right car, its just not the traditional P-car experience. They only built 60K of them over 17 years and they changed a lot during that time and all were considered Porsches premium quality cars. Many have been beat on and neglected. Its Porsche's muscle car with a strong throaty V8 exhaust note. As with anything of this vintage, condition is everything.
The early 928s are relatively simple but well-appointed cars, at 50% heavier than 914s but 2x the power (230hp). I heard that the 928 engine is just 2 944 engines put together (same head). Comparatively luxurious these are GT touring cars that excel in comfort and cruising the open road, but have great weight balance and power for the twisties. The LJet FI is simple and reliable. With 30-ish fuses, the electricals are more complicated, but extremely well done, but you should see the schematics - makes the 914s electricals look primitive.
Check out this engine and my early-style Central Electrics fusepanel.
As the cars matured, they got more power (as much as 345hp) and more complicated (ABS and more). These later cars are the model years in high demand, with higher prices, and more expensive to maintain. What we can learn from 914s is that the model year/engine size are not as important as condition.
Maltese Falcon
Apr 3 2014, 10:12 PM
This one was said to have been built in Australia. It is a custom bodied 914. Way cool !Click to view attachment
Where I am its become a rarity to see 944s on the road anymore! Mostly see boxsters and 997s.I see 914s twice in a year if im luckyand they are always nice garage kept specimens.I acquired a 1983 928S a few months back for free, It runs and drives well but the interior is toast and the interior electrics are non functional......but its a 5 speed, looks exactly like the one above covered in snow. Same color and ugly ass sewer lid wheels.
boxsterfan
Apr 3 2014, 11:17 PM
I agree on the posts above about the 924's. Last time I saw one I was living in Scottsdale in 2004. And I think it was at a PCA Car Show. Second to that was the 968. Last time I saw one of those was 2003 when I dragged raced one with my BoxsterS and at that same PCA Car Show.
JeffBowlsby
Apr 4 2014, 03:56 PM
Here is a good one but you would need to be pretty smitten...
They are nice, and becoming rare, but they are no Pre '74 911.
Perhaps if it were EXTREMELY low mileage and had been stored in a climate controlled garage for the last 20 years... maybe 2/3 of that. LOL
Andyrew
Apr 4 2014, 04:03 PM
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Apr 3 2014, 09:12 PM)
This one was said to have been built in Australia. It is a custom bodied 914. Way cool !Click to view attachment
I saw this at thunderhill many many many years ago.. The fab work on it amazed me and I was ~ 13 at the time!
Andyrew
Apr 4 2014, 04:05 PM
I see 944's quite regularly in my home town, Theres a 356 under a cover parked on the street near my house (Dont know if its a kit, but its a hardtop and I know most kits are convertibles), I rarely see early 911's and even more rarely see 924's (Though there used to be two on a main street in my town).
boxsterfan
Apr 4 2014, 04:12 PM
QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Apr 4 2014, 02:56 PM)
Here is a good one but you would need to be pretty smitten...
WTH with that interior? Looking at the car it was beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, and then
The pink carpet kinda screws a beautiful 928.......?
Yikes..!!
stugray
Apr 4 2014, 06:17 PM
Friend of mine at work has a near perfect 968 and a late 80s 911 setup for autocross.
I'll see if I can get a pic. I didnt think the 968 was even a real car until I looked it up
carr914
Apr 4 2014, 06:42 PM
I can't wait for the Day when we can include the Panamera to this List!
ConeDodger
Apr 4 2014, 07:01 PM
I live in a small little subdivision. One way in, one way out. Total of 4 street names. So far, I have seen a 356, a 911, my two 914's, and a pair of Cayenne GTS that belong to the same family. There is a 968 just a few blocks away in Guards Red and if it is the one I think, it has a supercharger... Lots of them out there...
campbellcj
Apr 4 2014, 07:07 PM
I have a friend/neighbor with a 951 V8 conversion - daily driver! He loves it and says it's been totally bulletproof. I am not big on non-Porsche conversions but to each his own. I have not ridden in it yet but suspect it's plenty quick and handles too. His wife daily-drives a 911SC. My kind of people!
speed metal army
Apr 4 2014, 09:28 PM
Ive seen 3 914's in the wild around here.(Cars actually driven) A few NA 944's and no 951's. One 356 kit that I see lots of, the nice old gent that owns it said he cant get enough and the amount he drives it shows! Never seen a 968. A few pre '90 911's and an assload of newer stuff that all looks really similar.... Then again, I am probably in all the wrong places to see the older cars! Although I did see a nice looking 930 on a transport truck roll through an industrial area last week.
Madswede
Apr 4 2014, 10:11 PM
Porsche only made four 968 turbo RS cars, and I think 16 turbo S versions. Lots of turbo conversions, but those originals are exceedingly rare. NA 968s aren't that rare. I sold mine to Zach Mayne's brother out here, and typically started seeing them around town. I've seen two 924s still running and on the road in Albuquerque over the past 8 years or so. Never seen a 356 on the road out here though.
OK.. that's wicked cool! never heard about these at all!
Johny Blackstain
Apr 15 2014, 02:03 PM
QUOTE(Qarl @ Apr 15 2014, 03:56 PM)
OK.. that's wicked cool! never heard about these at all!
They needed a parts truck/van to follow the 959s' in the Paris/Dakar ralley, so they went across the street & picked up a Vanagon. Problem was the bus could not keep up with the 959s' (no surprise there). So they took it into the factory & hot rodded it & boom- factory super bus. It turned out so nice they made several more for shows, friends & family. I 1st read about them back in the 80's in the old VW/Porsche magazine. From what I've found on them, they only built 11 of them. Funny how it's the same number as the 916. http://www.vanagonblog.com/2008/10/b32-vol...nagon_6299.html
914bub
Apr 15 2014, 03:14 PM
I drive out of Santa Cruz up through Berkeley 2 days a week and up through San Francisco 2 other days a week. I am amazed at how many early 70's 911's I see. After sealing the deal on my 914 I had my 914 radar on high alert and saw none. Finally I saw a really nice early 914 in silver near the bay bridge maze, (Oakland side) and a really nice 914 cruising on Alpine road out of Portola valley, headed towards 280. About 4 months ago I saw a really ratty, 75-76, bashed up 914 in primer at the Capitola DMV. 2 pitbulls in the front seat but I don't think it was in danger of being stolen......
Maltese Falcon
Apr 15 2014, 03:23 PM
My '86 3.2L Carrera / Vanagon syncro 4wd, I put 500k trouble free miles on it. Should have kept it, but was offered a good sum! Click to view attachment
Maltese Falcon
Apr 15 2014, 03:26 PM
A good looking drivetrain under the stock hatch. The plate reads; 959 4BY4Click to view attachment
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