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billh1963
I want my 2.4L 6 to sound like this...start around the 0:40 mark...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBxaiNvYrcI
altitude411
Aw man.... that's the sound that keeps me motivated. It's been way too long since I've driving.gif aktion035.gif
billh1963
I really love the driveby at around 1:00.... beautiful
JmuRiz
You better make it sound that good, since you have the MFI and everything. I won't send this link to my brother smile.gif
veekry9
As a former sometimes sound adjuster I can say it's all about the frequency,amplitude and side tones.
There are engineers working on this as we "speak".
Rules and regulations of DIN standards enforced in the EU.
Excellence had a writeup of a custom resonator for a Carrera GT someone had made.
The art of expansion chamber design was a subject in the '70s.
Had a set of Bill Wirdges pipes for the 750H2.
Made the engine real peaky up high.
A lot of header makers there in the USA,they know this stuff.
Steve
My 2.7 with webers and single muffler sounded like that. I miss that sound, but I don't miss the hassle of the webers.
veekry9
A lot of wringing of hands about those Webers.
A big straight six on side drafts in the '70s.
No sweat,tlc simply required.
It made a nice sound too.
Picture of it around here somewhere.
DB4.
EdwardBlume
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You are dead on! The pleasure of these cars are in senses.
'73-914kid
I had the pleasure of meeting Martin Scart at Cars and Coffee last Saturday as he was visiting from France. He makes some of the absolute best sounding Porsche mufflers ever, and that video is one of his mufflers. If anyone is interested, a friend of mine is the only US importer for the mufflers at the moment. They aren't cheap, but they'll outlast the car...
billh1963
QUOTE('73-914kid @ Dec 9 2014, 08:49 AM) *

They aren't cheap,



Define that, please biggrin.gif
pcar916
I really miss that sound. It went with the 2.7L I traded for the 3.6... which will never sound anything like this no matter what I do. It's too big a pump.

So the answer?

Build both!
'73-914kid
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Dec 9 2014, 05:51 AM) *

QUOTE('73-914kid @ Dec 9 2014, 08:49 AM) *

They aren't cheap,



Define that, please biggrin.gif


$1599 which includes all the hardware and gaskets.
billh1963
QUOTE('73-914kid @ Dec 9 2014, 10:42 AM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Dec 9 2014, 05:51 AM) *

QUOTE('73-914kid @ Dec 9 2014, 08:49 AM) *

They aren't cheap,



Define that, please biggrin.gif


$1599 which includes all the hardware and gaskets.


That's not as bad as I thought....
'73-914kid
I take that back, this specific muffler is $2200 out the door with import taxes and such. His normal 2 in 1 out sport muffler is $1590.
billh1963
QUOTE('73-914kid @ Dec 9 2014, 11:01 AM) *

I take that back, this specific muffler is $2200 out the door with import taxes and such. His normal 2 in 1 out sport muffler is $1590.


$1590 was much better!
johannes
Scart also makes great sounding mufflers for 914's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXSBDF8tp7U


billh1963
QUOTE(johannes @ Dec 10 2014, 07:11 AM) *

Scart also makes great sounding mufflers for 914's


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXSBDF8tp7U



We need a lot longer soundbite than that! 22 seconds was just a tease biggrin.gif
Michael N
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Dec 8 2014, 06:39 PM) *

I want my 2.4L 6 to sound like this...start around the 0:40 mark...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBxaiNvYrcI




Thanks for posting ....... now I want a muffler that I didn't know I needed. headbang.gif Damn that sounds great.
veekry9
http://www.rstube.fr/

A direct link.
johannes
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Dec 10 2014, 04:40 AM) *


We need a lot longer soundbite than that! 22 seconds was just a tease biggrin.gif



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpLaZc6cqnM

'73-914kid
Well, I finally ponied up and bought a used Scart muffler from my French friend who is the US importer for Martin Scart.

For those of you who know me, I have an unhealthy obsession with mufflers for my car. This makes muffler #5. With that being said, I would be perfectly happy to sell all my other mufflers after using this one..

Let's start from a "factual" review of the muffler.

At idle, it sounds nice and smooth, a little lope which is moreso a result of having S cams I believe.

Cruise around town is a little more loud than a stock Bischoff muffler, but it is much deeper, and less tinny with almost no rasp.

Freeway cruise is more quiet than my stock Bischoff Stainless muffler, which is bizarre, and quite a surprise to me. There is absolutely no drone at any RPM. I sat in traffic and drove for two hours this afternoon on the freeway, and have never been comfortable volume wise in the car.

WOT, the muffler opens up to a nice volume scream, still not raspy, deep, and not remotely obnoxious. It's the perfect balance between the stock muffler, and something more akin to a 911 rally muffler, or a 911r "muffler"

Construction of the muffler is nothing short of perfection... Martin uses high grade stainless for everything, and it looks wonderful. It's a shame it has to be hidden under the car.

Okay, now for my 5 year old self's review" rolleyes.gif

When I started it and started driving with it, it was obvious that that it sounded differently. Between cruise, WOT, and decel, I'm quite certain that this is the most quintessential "Porsche" sound I've ever heard, and I believe it should be recorded and played back over a tape and sold. It made me giddy driving the car, which hasn't happened in quite a long time. (Daily driving a car makes it lose that "specialness")

I honestly haven't been this excited about the car since I put the 6 in it.. The muffler sounds that nice. I will take some video of how it sounds tomorrow morning once I have someone to hold a camera..


Here are the pictures...
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flyer86d
Okay, you have struck a nerve. Our 1973 911T with it's engine upgraded to 911E spec and correct MFI has an Alan Johnson twin pipe muffler that sounds much like that. The howl on acceleration and rasp on decel is intoxicating. It also allows the engine to pull to 7300 RPM whereas the stock single pipe shut the power down at 6600 RPM. My eldest son was playing in an American Legion Baseball Game when I pulled up to the field and downshifted to second, the game stopped and all eyes were on the Viper Green 911. My son was the hero.

Charlie
patssle
Here's what a Dansk Sport 84mm 2/2 muffler sounds like! On my 3.0L with Webers and MSDS headers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIIH5ZSfbTE
Bulldog9
Does anyone have an extended clip of a tangerine system? I've heard a couple brief clips but nothing like that first clip in this thread.... Gets the blood going. I played it for my wife and she said OK?????? Lol at least she is supportive!
Bulldog9
Does anyone have an extended clip of a tangerine system? I've heard a couple brief clips but nothing like that first clip in this thread.... Gets the blood going. I played it for my wife and she said OK?????? Lol at least she is supportive!
toolguy
pm sent
heres the directions for the 1970's Panorama article
http://members.rennlist.com/tweedt/sptmuff.jpg
Michael N
Has anyone tried a SCART dual in single out on a 914-6 yet? I liked what I saw at Rennsport but am nervous about the single out exhaust tip fitting through the stock long port hole valance on a 914-6. I took my car out for a test with the GoPro and feel like my exhaust is too tame. These runs peaked over 6500 rpms and the car sounds mild out the back. My car is running a 2.4S MFI engine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=/rpX2SyefdOw
JmuRiz
Sounds good to me,
just be sure to stay on your side of the street wink.gif
phillstek
QUOTE(Michael N @ Oct 9 2015, 04:07 AM) *

Has anyone tried a SCART dual in single out on a 914-6 yet? I liked what I saw at Rennsport but am nervous about the single out exhaust tip fitting through the stock long port hole valance on a 914-6. I took my car out for a test with the GoPro and feel like my exhaust is too tame. These runs peaked over 6500 rpms and the car sounds mild out the back. My car is running a 2.4S MFI engine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=/rpX2SyefdOw



I’m using a 2 in/1 out Scart on my 3.2 conversion although I don’t have valance so can’t say if it fits or not.

What I can say though is that it sounds anything but tame! There are 2 versions of the 2/1. If you want something that’ll wake the neighbours get the race version. The sound that these things produce is nothing short of spine tingling. Part throttle cruising and acceleration gives a deep, burble thats typical Porsche just louder but get on it and all hell breaks loose. The sound just explodes into a wail at around 4k and it’s so addictive that you’ll find yourself looking for tunnels to punch it through just so you can get that rush.

These are the best mufflers on the planet, hands down.
moorepower
Can you p.m. me the importer? I contacted SCART and asked if they had an importer, and they just told me they sold direct. This is wht I want on my 914-4
billh1963
QUOTE(Michael N @ Oct 8 2015, 02:07 PM) *

Has anyone tried a SCART dual in single out on a 914-6 yet? I liked what I saw at Rennsport but am nervous about the single out exhaust tip fitting through the stock long port hole valance on a 914-6. I took my car out for a test with the GoPro and feel like my exhaust is too tame. These runs peaked over 6500 rpms and the car sounds mild out the back. My car is running a 2.4S MFI engine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=/rpX2SyefdOw



Didn't sound like 6500 to me....just sayin'

This my video of the 6 I had....hit around 5000 rpm at time 1:23. The video posted above just doesn't sound "frenetic" enough to be 6500


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpqyFJPr7ik
billh1963
QUOTE('73-914kid @ Jan 19 2015, 08:09 PM) *



I honestly haven't been this excited about the car since I put the 6 in it.. The muffler sounds that nice. I will take some video of how it sounds tomorrow morning once I have someone to hold a camera..




Did you ever take/post that video?

Elliot Cannon
Mm Hmm, well that's all well and good but there ain't nothing better than the sound of CanAm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeWJwGmx4Cw
'73-914kid
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Oct 8 2015, 03:21 PM) *

QUOTE('73-914kid @ Jan 19 2015, 08:09 PM) *



I honestly haven't been this excited about the car since I put the 6 in it.. The muffler sounds that nice. I will take some video of how it sounds tomorrow morning once I have someone to hold a camera..




Did you ever take/post that video?


Nope.. school got in the way.. I will sometime next week.
aircooledtechguy
QUOTE(Michael N @ Oct 8 2015, 11:07 AM) *

Has anyone tried a SCART dual in single out on a 914-6 yet? I liked what I saw at Rennsport but am nervous about the single out exhaust tip fitting through the stock long port hole valance on a 914-6. I took my car out for a test with the GoPro and feel like my exhaust is too tame. These runs peaked over 6500 rpms and the car sounds mild out the back. My car is running a 2.4S MFI engine.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=/rpX2SyefdOw



It sounds good. Consider though that having someone taking video from directly behind the car, as are the other videos, will always sound different than video shot 90 degrees from the tail pipe. Just sayin'
maddin
...just wondering if and what difference it makes if you have 1 or 2 outlets?
Dion
Elliot thanks for the Macca sounds. Awesome stuff.
I'm running a TurboThomas RS style muffler on my "2056" four banger.
Happy with sound (loud & raspy). Sorry no sound bite. His "6"cyl. version sounds
very close to the SCART, maybe a bit deeper.
He's on Facebookas well as: www.turbothomas.com
mgp4591
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Oct 8 2015, 04:33 PM) *

Mm Hmm, well that's all well and good but there ain't nothing better than the sound of CanAm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeWJwGmx4Cw

I agree Elliot- it's damn hard to beat the sound of race prepped big block power! I've been in town when the Miller Motorsports Can-Am revisited tour came by a few years ago. The cars are just a marvel to see- so small and yet have all that power shoehorned into the back. Fire them up, watch the women and small children run for their lives! Except for the brave few who just stand there in awe...
EdwardBlume
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Oct 8 2015, 03:33 PM) *

Mm Hmm, well that's all well and good but there ain't nothing better than the sound of CanAm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeWJwGmx4Cw

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The GT3s at Rennsport were pretty nice as well.
jack20
Has anyone installed a single outlet Scart muffler on a 2.0? I watched the short video of the 1.7 and it was impressive.
Thanks,
Jack
Elliot Cannon
QUOTE(RobW @ Oct 10 2015, 05:27 AM) *

QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Oct 8 2015, 03:33 PM) *

Mm Hmm, well that's all well and good but there ain't nothing better than the sound of CanAm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeWJwGmx4Cw

agree.gif

The GT3s at Rennsport were pretty nice as well.

True that. agree.gif
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