Just toying around in the garage with some extra parts and put some 944 hubs in a 914 trailing arm. The bearings were still good after getting the original hub out so I said what the heck. Needless to say it fits perfectly.

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I will shortly, I'm still trying to find my camera.

but is the spline for the half shaft the same....?

That is the problem, I thought it had different splines and wouldnt work. If it does, that would change a lot of things we can do for the conversions.

even if the splines fit the /4 parts, there are other critical dimensions to consider.......

Offtopic - but related to hubs :-) Mueller - did you manage to pick up those hubbages yet???

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They stick out a couple of mm's farther. The 914 stuff won't work with them.

it doesnt surprise me though, i have 944 hubs on the front of my 914 sporting 911 suspension.

the splines on a 944 are the same as a type 1 or type 2...infact so are the cv's(type 1)....there are several lengths of 944 stub axles and hubs(and splines for that matter), depending on wheels used

i found that while restoring a 71 superbeetle, the 944 rear suspension bolts right in....
trailing arms and all...

Same suspension geometry and same parts...same cv joints, axles are easy to get different lengths in the vw type 1 world...

Always makes me laugh that the 944 which was supposed to be all new,,, used super beetle parts..

Rich

The 944 axle flanges will move the rotor outboard. The caliper won't mount correctly. But they are splined the same as a 69 911 hub, and the axles are the same length as the 914 axle. So you have a heavy duty axle that can interchange with a 914 axle.

YOu may be able to use a 944 rotor... but I never tried. Why bother? The 911 hubs are plentiful and they fit fine.

QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Feb 7 2005, 08:47 AM)

The 944 axle flanges will move the rotor outboard. The caliper won't mount correctly. But they are splined the same as a 69 911 hub, and the axles are the same length as the 914 axle. So you have a heavy duty axle that can interchange with a 914 axle. YOu may be able to use a 944 rotor... but I never tried. Why bother?    The 911 hubs are plentiful and they fit fine.

Clay,
From what I recall, the hubs from a 944 are much cheaper....
MUCH.....

Thom

QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Feb 7 2005, 09:47 AM)

The 944 axle flanges will move the rotor outboard. The caliper won't mount correctly. But they are splined the same as a 69 911 hub, and the axles are the same length as the 914 axle. So you have a heavy duty axle that can interchange with a 914 axle. YOu may be able to use a 944 rotor... but I never tried. Why bother? The 911 hubs are plentiful and they fit fine.

Clay, I've got a question.

Do I understand correctly that the 944 stub axle will work in a 914 as long as it has the appropriate early 911 hub? Then there are CV considerations I presume?

Rick

Keep this on the Down Low, but the 944 rotors and calipers are really 911, and yes the front hubs are 911 as well. 944 stuff is abundent and cheap for the most part. I'm doing the same thing as rich, putting 944 suspension and brakes on a Super Beetle, I'm even using 944 half shafts. I've been thing about trying this to upgrade the brakes on my 14.

Nick

QUOTE (kafermeister @ Feb 7 2005, 09:52 AM)

QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Feb 7 2005, 09:47 AM) The 944 axle flanges will move the rotor outboard. The caliper won't mount correctly. But they are splined the same as a 69 911 hub, and the axles are the same length as the 914 axle. So you have a heavy duty axle that can interchange with a 914 axle. YOu may be able to use a 944 rotor... but I never tried. Why bother?    The 911 hubs are plentiful and they fit fine. Clay, I've got a question. Do I understand correctly that the 944 stub axle will work in a 914 as long as it has the appropriate early 911 hub? Then there are CV considerations I presume? Rick

If you use a 911 hub, you can use a 944 turbo stub axle and halfshaft, complete with CV joints on a 914. You have to change the drive flange on the transmssion to the same coarse splined drive flange from a 915 transmission out of a 76 911 or 912E. This ups the CV joint size from 94 mm to 100mm and the joints and axles are much thicker. It all bolts together without any issues in axle length. And no machining is required.

I never tried a 944 hub and/or rotor. I don't know if they will work on a 914. I think that the rotor backspacing is different, making the wheel sit farther outboard.

In my VW I'm upgrading to a 901 tranny (basically the same as the 914, I even changed the gears from the 911 to the 914 so I get the good gear ratios). I got the larger output flanges so I can run 930 CV's on the inside. I'll be running 944 alloy control arms/brakes with
944's have three different half shaft lengths, don't quote me cause I'm trying to remember this off the top of my head. 17" (same length as beetles), 16" (used on the left side of the early 944 automatics, great for guys who narrow their rear control arms on bugs), and the '86.5 944's all use 21"s which are great for us teeners and VW type 2ers. Now there are two versions of long half shafts, one with VW splines(VW type 1/2, 914, and 944 NA cv's will fit), and the 87-89 951, aka 944 Turbo, which uses the Porsche splines and the 930 cv's will fit(and those CV's are very stout). OK there are three sizes of CV's to be concerned with also. Stock 914's use 90mm cv's as do type 1's. Now all 944's and type 2's use 100 mm cv's and 930's use 108 mm(I've heard them called 110 mm, I think they are one and the same). Alright there are two different spline setups on the 21" axles, there is the 944 NA with the 33 splines which all the sizes except 930 108mm fit. Then there is the 28 splined axles witch the 90 and 100 mm cv's can fit.
So your probally asking yourself what the hell does all this mean? If you plan on, or have added hp to your 14 you have several options of over the counter Porsche parts to beef up your drive train. I hope this makes some sense.

Nick

Will the 944T stub axles fit the later 911 (up to '89) as well?

Andy

QUOTE (andys @ Feb 7 2005, 12:28 PM)

Will the 944T stub axles fit the later 911 (up to '89) as well? Andy

69 to 73 911 hubs fit the 944T stub axles. I don't know about the later ones.

QUOTE (nickg @ Feb 6 2005, 06:16 PM)

the splines on a 944 are the same as a type 1 or type 2...infact so are the cv's(type 1)....there are several lengths of 944 stub axles and hubs(and splines for that matter), depending on wheels used

944/924s don't use type 1 cv joints. They both use type IV. I've had these in hand personally. Type 1s are smaller and handle less angle. Bolt pattern is larger on the type IVs. The axle splines are the same.

John