I am thinking about converting the 2.0 to a six with HP in the low 200s, but before I go on with the conversion, how fast will the car be, what other cars can it beat, 0-60 times.

If it's dry, I may hit the dragstrip Wed Nite at Sears and I'll let you know

KT

Well lessee. My 240SX had about 220 wheel horsepower, and would set down a 13.7 on street tires. It weighed about 2800 pounds. 2800/220= 12.7 pounds per horsepower
If your 914 puts down 200WHP and weighs 2100 pounds... 2100/200=10.5 pounds per horsepower. That makes you, let me consult my dictionary of highly-technical terms...... freaking fast!

Cole

0-60? This is not the car even with a 225hp six in it as you can't shift the 901 fast enuf! The tranny isn't designed like a Muncie 4 speed!
How fast??Hmm, I test drove a 3.2L car setup for track and damn near wet my pants it was so fast. 6 seconds maybe....I couldn't shift the 915 tranny fast enuf like 'merican muscle cars.
Think 1900lb car, 250hp, wide sticky tires, LSD,burn out in 1st and second gear. Very fast and will kill most cars in stupid street racing.

Geoff

Quick or fast? there is a difference

My car has about 275 hp and weighs about 2000# However the way its geared, it tops out at just over 140. There are only a few courses where I use all of fifth gear.

200hp in a 914 is fun, and if you gear the tranny right its even more fun

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Feb 27 2005, 06:07 PM)

How fast??Hmm, I test drove a 3.2L car setup for track and damn near wet my pants it was so fast. 6 seconds maybe....I couldn't shift the 915 tranny fast enuf like 'merican muscle cars. Think 1900lb car, 250hp, wide sticky tires, LSD,burn out in 1st and second gear. Very fast and will kill most cars in stupid street racingmaybe....

6 seconds? Dude, try like 4!

Cole

With a properly rebuilt shifter, and a 901, and a gentle touch you can HAMMER IT with 250hp, and experience letting the clutch slip a little, next thing you know, you are sayin' bye-byes at almost the same kind of speeds someone in a half-assed tuned Honda.



M

Not a six but my Raby built 2270 Type IV (150 hp) can top 125 easily. Haven't had her much past that yet but feels like there is plenty left and the aero & suspension don't noticably float at those speeds either. 0-60... don't know, never bothered. Fast though.

For comparison my Boxster weighs about 1000 Lbs. more than my 914 has a 2.7 six (227 hp) and will do 0-60 in about 6 secs according to Porsche and it seems plenty fast. and will hit 155... I've had her up to 140 personally with no problems.

200+ HP in a 914 should be quick enough for 90% of any street contest you might encounter. You might check the specs for the new Lotus Elise. 2000 Lbs, 190 HP.

Its still and art to speed shift outta first into second then third...sometimes you hit Reverse!

Everyones view of fast is different. I think my car is fast but as I got used to it at around 300hp I began thinking it wasn't, now Im pushing for around 400hp thinking It may feel fast again for awhile.

In mine, 1st gear is your push it to the floor and let up and shift as fast as possible. No pooping around, 1st gear whines up real fast. I thought it only did a max of 20 MPH in first, but we have seen 33 MPH in 1st at like 6200 RPMs or whatever I was comfortable shifting at that day which was GPS proven. Felt like a real douche driving around my neighborhood at 6200 of whatever waiting for the GPS to refresh, my neighbors loved me to say the least.

I about shat a brick, because it is just instant to that speed. I would say it is breaking the tires loose, but it's not. Slam it into second real fast. That shift is hard to get down, but when you do, it is a rocket ship.

This pic was in my buddy's 911, I think 3rd or 4th gear, 4500rpm, 100mph... on the back roads of PA.

Spoke

I have been 138 in a 914, This 914. Some of that was coasting.

It does 125 flat out, the first 115 happen in the same minute, and the next 10 happen over the next minute.


M

When I had a flipped H for 5th, I think that's what it was? I had mine up to 145, maybe 150. Was racing a guy on the highway, and when we pulled over, he said he looked down and saw 145 for sure. My speedo doesn't work, and even if it did, it probably wouldn't be accurate.

You want fast 0 - 60 times in a 914?
Forget the 6 - go electric. Ask Otmar.

I'm trying to get my car to 1,425 pounds with the body.
And I'm also waiting on a Massive T-IV with 180 ponies.

So 0-60 in the 6 second range is my guess.

Top speed, who cares?

Paul

You have no place in this conversation, you only use half the car you bought, you don't count.



M

QUOTE (redshift @ Feb 27 2005, 06:34 PM)

You have no place in this conversation, you only use half the car you bought, you don't count. M

You've hurt my feelings.

I'm going to go to the Bird Board and wait for someone to start a thread.

Paul

QUOTE (URY914 @ Feb 27 2005, 07:28 PM)

So 0-60 in the 6 second range is my guess.

I'd think it would be faster than that. I got a ride in a 914-6 3.2. It was also a hot 3.2 with g60 cams and webbers. It felt like a sub-5 second car.

If fast is what you want just stick one of my 427's in it.
530 hp and only 200 more lbs. than a stock 914

4.7 lbs per hp

530hp. That is a candidate for a freekin ZF.


M

Fast 0-60 times are not what the 914 is all about. I’d have to see professional timing results to believe in sub 5 sec. runs from anything but a very radical car. To be set up for very fast 0-60 times would require a car built to handle it, meaning very wide rubber, very strong CV’s, trailing arms, and chassis in general. It would also be helpful to have a first gear that could handle a full throttle romp, and not need shifting until 62mph or so. That means a very high RPM capable motor and a trans with a fairly tall first gear, basically the 930 fits the bill.

That being said, I took a ride in Renegades shop demo car, and even with 225 tires and around 320hp, and a regeared 914 trans it was a scream. They can be quick, but the Ultima GTR just did 0 to 100 to 0 in something around 10 seconds flat, besting the Mclaren F1 by a substantial margin. The quarter mile was around 10.5 sec, 0-60 an amazing 2.8 seconds, and 0-100 in something like 5 seconds.

It took 640hp, 335 rear tires, a G50 transmission with limited slip, and a 2200 pound car. All you have to do is follow that recipe in a 914 and you will have a quick and fast car!

Actually a QUAIFE Qtech 6 speed Gearbox with Sequential Shifter is the way to go.

QUOTE

Fast 0-60 times are not what the 914 is all about.

Ok, I admit it. I was actually more impressed with 30 to 90mph in the 914-6/3.2 that I got a ride in.

I have 3.2 with a little tweaks (270hp engine). Rookie drag racer burning rubber first and second gear, still 13.3 with 2.375 60 foot and 176km/h. Car had no LSD and gearbox had track ratios. Second pull destroyed the whole gearbox, but it was fun.

Mika

I don't know if any of this is accurate but I lifted it from a different post.
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stock 914 2.0:
0 - 60: 9.5 sec
1/4 mile: 17.2 @ 84 mph
40-60 in 5th: 9.6 sec

2270 B engines (153 hp in the dyno run posted):
0 - 60: 5.8 sec
1/4 mile: 14.1 @ 101 mph
40-60 in 5th: 5.8 sec

At this point (14 flat) your running with any stock Mustang Cobra and Camaro SS, and plainly outhandling them too. At least you can keep up with a '92 twin turbo RX7 in a straight line.

a 165 hp 2.4 E (six) gives the following:
0 - 60: 5.2 sec
1/4 mile: 14.0 @ 104.2 mph
40 - 60 in 5th: 7.1 sec

The quick time to 60 is due in large part to hitting 60 in 2nd instead of 3rd gear. 1/4 mile time is about the same as the 2270, even with the extra weight of the six conversion. The 40 - 60 number shows the 911 engine's low-rpm softness.

A 190 hp 2.7:
0 - 60: 4.6 sec
1/4 mile: 13.3 @ 109.2 mph
40 - 60 in 5th: 6.1 sec

Yeehaa!! You're now in '97 Vette and 98 NSX territory.

210 hp 2.7:
0 - 60: still 4.6 sec
1/4 mile: 12.8 @ 113.5 mph
40 - 60 in 5th: 5.0 sec

A tick quicker than a '97 Lotus Esprit V8 and the '99 Diablo VT Roadster.

210 hp carb'd 3.0 liter:
0 - 60: 4.9 sec
1/4 mile: 13.1 @ 112.4 mph
40 - 60 in 5th: 5.4 sec

224 hp 3.2:
0 - 60: 4.6 sec
1/4 mile: 12.8 @ 115.3 mph
40 - 60 in 5th: 5.0 sec

249 hp worked 3.2:
0 - 60: 4.1 sec
1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 119.3 mph
40 - 60 in 5th: 4.2 sec

At Phoenix International Raceway the weekend before last I found myself side by side with a Spec Cobra - about 500-550 HP (don't know the weight). My car is a 3.4 and about 325 HP and 2050 lbs. We were in turn 9 at PIR (the slowest corner), I was in second gear and shifted to third coming out of the turn and the Cobra could not pull on me all the way through third. When I shifted to fourth gear, the Cobra pulled away - I'm not sure what gear he was in. I followed him through the banked turn at PIR at about 125 mph. It was a hoot running with the big bore guys. Many were not equal to my 914.

Steve

You can see even with a 165hp six in a 914, it's a fun car!

Larry what post did those numbers come from?

If I am doing this properly, the numbers came from page five of this thread

That's what I figured, a stimulator.....stimulates conjecture.
I KNOW I can get my car into the 13s.....the 12s would be a stretch. If all I have to do is steer a straight line & shift, my 901 is pretty quick shifting.....not T-10 quick....I don't have the guts to powershift it cause I'm out of practice & Porsche syncros ain't that gud.

QUOTE (Type 4 @ Feb 28 2005, 12:50 AM)

Actually a QUAIFE Qtech 6 speed Gearbox with Sequential Shifter is the way to go.

I saw that in POUNDS, how much is it in OUNCES or DOLLARS?



I am still pretty sure the 6 speed ZF is BETTER. (and you get new axles... new axles without CVs)


M

Screw the line, I like the top of second, to the middle of 4th.


M

Here is a simulator for Harley Motorcycles.

http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/accel_sim1.htm

NightRider Simulator

When I get home I'll pull out my 914/6 owner's manual and pull the data off the dyno graphs and see how it compares to the factory data.

ps: JP - your car will easily run 13's! My daily driver BMW runs 14's and it weighs 3600lbs. My teener puts the BMW to shame. The 2.7 in your car probably has 35hp on the 2.7 in my teener ... from what I can tell, my motor is a stock U.S. '77 2.7 (CIS) with 40/32 Webers and Bursch Headers.

Eddie

A 2.7 in a 911 with three people pulls like a tractor. (beam)

That's a rocket.


M

My mild built 350 Chevy in my car routinely outruns Z06 Vettes in the street. I don't worry about grinding reverse when I go from 1st to 2nd...I just take off in 2nd, 1st gear is a simply a waste of time. I'm really worried about destroying the trans, so a good slip of the clutch and granny shifting...I can't imagine what times I would have with a shift and drop clutch method of driving; maybe many times in the garage fixing things.

Even in normal driving, the car does just fine taking off in 2nd. The difference between a 300 horse Chevy and a 300 horse Porsche engine, is the Chevy's horsepower curve is flat! I've got a much larger average horsepower across the rpm range than the Porsches....except now with the variable cam timing; that is way cool stuff!

The rice rockets are simply getting on my nerves and wasting my gas.