Larmo63
Aug 23 2017, 10:21 AM
Right now, my issue isn't getting it done, it's HOW to do the wiring. I'm not quite clear on what I'm doing with the ignition system.
I think it will be a miracle if it actually starts. I think I need an electrical genius to wire this stuff.
That's what is holding me up.
McMark
Aug 23 2017, 03:38 PM
Post pictures of the documentation you have and I'll see if I can lend a hand. I could probably look it up on The Google but I'm sooooooo lazy.
Larmo63
Aug 23 2017, 07:39 PM
Three calls to Richard Clewett, and one to Perry Kiehl, I'm golden.
.....until I turn the key?
I just kept at it, one wire and/or bunch of wires at a time. I actually think I got it. Next up is wiring the gauges. Automobile electrical work isn't my strong suit.
Larmo63
Aug 23 2017, 07:43 PM
My little world I've been living in......
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Larmo63
Aug 23 2017, 07:44 PM
Final product in the trunk.....
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sb914
Aug 23 2017, 08:25 PM
Met Richard a couple weeks ago in seal beach.nice guy and very knowledgeable!
Moter Looks sweet in there Larry!
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porschetub
Aug 23 2017, 09:15 PM
Perry was a real help to me and pointed out issues and he was spot on with his comments....just saying.
Larmo63
Aug 23 2017, 09:19 PM
Perry has to be one of the nicest guys in our hobby!!!
I am so happy with the harnesses he made for my conversion.
Larmo63
Aug 23 2017, 09:36 PM
Once I got my pea brain wrapped around the wiring today, I kind of got in a mode. When I was done I had a great feeling of satisfaction, but wanted to keep going. It's addicting.
I still have fuel lines to hook up, fuel pump to wire, some gauge work, headers, muffler, new rear shift linkage rod is coming tomorrow from PMS, and then install carbs permanently. Oh, I need air cleaners and breather hose.
That's about it, I think?
I did a direct cable accelerator set up, I'm not sure how thats going to work out. We'll see.
Krieger
Aug 23 2017, 10:11 PM
Looking good! How did you hook up the accelerator cable ?
Larmo63
Aug 23 2017, 11:30 PM
It's a heavy duty marine/boat accelerator cable.
Larmo63
Aug 24 2017, 07:37 PM
More Patrick Motorsports goodness arrived by the front door today. The "last" thing I needed to buy. (are they ever done?)
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Larmo63
Aug 24 2017, 07:40 PM
MSDS Headers went on, I need to cut a couple "mouse holes" for the two pipes in the GT muffler.
I wonder if that style muffler is worth cutting up a perfectly good valance?
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Larmo63
Aug 24 2017, 07:41 PM
Steve
Aug 24 2017, 11:05 PM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 24 2017, 06:40 PM)
MSDS Headers went on, I need to cut a couple "mouse holes" for the two pipes in the GT muffler.
I wonder if that style muffler is worth cutting up a perfectly good valance?
Click to view attachmentI would buy a fiberglas replica and cut that instead.
Maybe AIR or Getty
Larmo63
Aug 25 2017, 07:52 AM
The PMS shift linkage bar is a beefy & well built piece, but the cup and rod needed a little persuasion to fit together. Wifey went to bed, so of course I'm out underneath the car working underneath it until 11:00 at night. I got it all buttoned up, but the shifter is terrible inside the car. I had the shifter out earlier in the build and the front tunnel rod is out of adjustment (I think?)
This is going to be fun.
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Steve
Aug 25 2017, 08:00 AM
Download Dr. Evils trans supplement at this link. It has information on how to adjust all the shifters.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=257269
Larmo63
Aug 25 2017, 09:29 AM
Thanks Steve. I read it and will make an attempt to adjust the shifter per his instructions today. It's a combination of new clutch cable, linkage, and in/out of the shifter.
All of those moving parts.
Steve
Aug 25 2017, 09:53 AM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 25 2017, 08:29 AM)
Thanks Steve. I read it and will make an attempt to adjust the shifter per his instructions today. It's a combination of new clutch cable, linkage, and in/out of the shifter.
All of those moving parts.
Clutch part is easy. Push clutch pedal to floor. Then grab the clutch pedal and pull up and down. Adjust the cable til you have 1/2" free play, pulling the pedal towards you and away from you. Adjusting the stop on the pedal board requires typically two people. One to push the pedal to the floor and the other person to let you know that the throw out bearing arm is not moving anymore. The stop is to prevent the cable from getting stretched and wear and tear on clutch tube, etc.
IronHillRestorations
Aug 25 2017, 02:52 PM
QUOTE(Steve @ Aug 25 2017, 07:53 AM)
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 25 2017, 08:29 AM)
Thanks Steve. I read it and will make an attempt to adjust the shifter per his instructions today. It's a combination of new clutch cable, linkage, and in/out of the shifter.
All of those moving parts.
Clutch part is easy. Push clutch pedal to floor. Then grab the clutch pedal and pull up and down. Adjust the cable til you have 1/2" free play, pulling the pedal towards you and away from you. Adjusting the stop on the pedal board requires typically two people. One to push the pedal to the floor and the other person to let you know that the throw out bearing arm is not moving anymore. The stop is to prevent the cable from getting stretched and wear and tear on clutch tube, etc.
It's also to prevent over centering the clutch. It needs to disengage the disc enough, but not so much to stress the spring
Larmo63
Aug 25 2017, 05:24 PM
What fuse should I use for switched power for the fuel pump?
Which side of the fuse block?
Oh, and when are you coming by to help me adjust my clutch (and shifter,) Steve?
Maltese Falcon
Aug 25 2017, 06:07 PM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 24 2017, 06:41 PM)
Your 9146 build is looking good Lawrence , appreciate your choice in exhaust headers ¡
76-914
Aug 25 2017, 07:12 PM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 25 2017, 04:24 PM)
What fuse should I use for switched power for the fuel pump?
Which side of the fuse block?
Oh, and when are you coming by to help me adjust my clutch (and shifter,) Steve?
IIRC,any but the last 3. Drop the fuse panel and look behind at the wires. There are some open spades you can attach to. I wouldn't share a fuse. Just add an in-line fuse off one of those spades.
euro911
Aug 25 2017, 07:27 PM
Maybe this will help ?
Larmo63
Aug 25 2017, 09:01 PM
QUOTE(Maltese Falcon @ Aug 25 2017, 05:07 PM)
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 24 2017, 06:41 PM)
Your 9146 build is looking good Lawrence , appreciate your choice in exhaust headers ¡
I got a little plug in there for your company!!!!
porschetub
Aug 25 2017, 10:11 PM
[quote name='Larmo63' date='Aug 26 2017, 11:24 AM' post='2520821']
What fuse should I use for switched power for the fuel pump?
Which side of the fuse block?
No the relay board mod as per Andy's tech article,but I suspect you may have gone relay board delete ??
Call Perry if you have done relay board delete,gez I don't remember the colours sorry......getting close for you.
EDIT....
Sorry forgot you went to front fuel pump if you still have a relay board you can run a power feed down the fuel return to the original plug in the engine bay,not easy to do but worked for me.
If no relayboard you will need to find a supply and wire a relay in there and supporting fuse (7.5 amp),you would then link to the 12 pin plug,however happy to be proved wrong ?.
Steve
Aug 26 2017, 10:40 AM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 25 2017, 04:24 PM)
Oh, and when are you coming by to help me adjust my clutch (and shifter,) Steve?
I have time next weekend. This weekend I will be in Sun City for my Moms bday.
rhodyguy
Aug 26 2017, 10:46 AM
Have you switched over to powering the pump using the jumper wire from the engine compartment relay board (classic thread forum) and the stock FP harness?
Larmo63
Aug 26 2017, 10:53 AM
I wired it to a dash switch, then I'll go fused to switched power.
I have the option of turning on the ignition without the fuel pump running.
Theft deterrent?
Larmo63
Aug 26 2017, 07:09 PM
Wiring gauges and working under the dash of a 914 is NOT fun. Poor Trudy, she had to put up with my moans, groans, swearing, growling, sighing, grumbling, cursing, stomping, cajoling, barking, grunting, cursing, figuring, fussing, working, and finishing.
It will (still) be a miracle if this all works.
I'm pretty confident it will. Although, I will be Amazed.
I did the tach adapt box, fuel pump power, oil pressure gauge, and oil temperature gauge.
On to other adventures tomorrow. My list grows shorter.
IronHillRestorations
Aug 27 2017, 06:20 AM
It helps to be of smaller stature like me Lawrence, but I remember it was a lot easier 25 years ago. Taking out the seats helps,
Larmo63
Aug 27 2017, 08:18 AM
I took the driver's seat and the steering wheel out. Packing blankets on the floor of the garage and inside floor of the car help.
Still, the wiring under a 914 dash is hard to get to. I'd like to think that I got it all in one fell swoop.
I still need to pick up a dash light jumper for the oil pressure gauge. I think that is the only thing left to do in the dash area. I may say it is a pain in the ass to do, but once I get into "wiring mode," I actually enjoy the challenge of point to point wiring. The German side of my brain comes into play. All of the routing I did is tidy, zip tied, up and out of the way.
Steve
Aug 27 2017, 09:03 AM
I remove the lower dash pad. It's just a screw on each end and several big ones underneath. After that just slide it back towards the rear of the car
76-914
Aug 27 2017, 09:13 AM
Don't get any wires near the steering u-joint. Ask me how I know. Try this: take a piece of 3/4" plywood ~17.5" x 13.5". When you remove the seat lay this piece on the seat track. I drove 2 nails thru the plywood that pass thru the square holes so it won't slide around. Just be sure to round off the end of the nails. Then put a cushion over the plywood. Quite comfortable!
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Larmo63
Aug 27 2017, 11:09 AM
I used some thick black plastic wire guard above the U-joint. I had some old 914 wiring harnesses from my parts pile that I pilfered wires from.
I like that board idea, Kent. Why don't you market that?
I have had the kneepad out, Steve, but I didn't really need it out for this wiring.
Larmo63
Aug 27 2017, 11:11 AM
Dave Darling said it the best: "You're 90% done with 90% more to go."
That's where I'm at.
Matty900
Aug 27 2017, 01:00 PM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 26 2017, 06:09 PM)
Wiring gauges and working under the dash of a 914 is NOT fun. Poor Trudy, she had to put up with my moans, groans, swearing, growling, sighing, grumbling, cursing, stomping, cajoling, barking, grunting, cursing, figuring, fussing, working, and finishing.
It will (still) be a miracle if this all works.
I'm pretty confident it will. Although, I will be Amazed.
I did the tach adapt box, fuel pump power, oil pressure gauge, and oil temperature gauge.
On to other adventures tomorrow. My list grows shorter.
Your not making me look forward to doing this in my car this week. How long did it take you?
euro911
Aug 27 2017, 01:23 PM
QUOTE(Perry Kiehl @ Aug 27 2017, 05:20 AM)
It helps to be of smaller stature like me Lawrence, but I remember it was a lot easier 25 years ago. Taking out the seats helps,
True, but having a younger person with a resilient body would be better.
Neat idea on the seat board, Kent
... I still have the driver's seat out of the 'BB'
Larmo63
Aug 27 2017, 06:42 PM
Good thing your are a smaller guy too, Matt!!!
A couple afternoons. I'm making it sound worse than it really was. It almost gets addictive.
QUOTE(Matty900 @ Aug 27 2017, 12:00 PM)
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 26 2017, 06:09 PM)
Wiring gauges and working under the dash of a 914 is NOT fun. Poor Trudy, she had to put up with my moans, groans, swearing, growling, sighing, grumbling, cursing, stomping, cajoling, barking, grunting, cursing, figuring, fussing, working, and finishing.
It will (still) be a miracle if this all works.
I'm pretty confident it will. Although, I will be Amazed.
I did the tach adapt box, fuel pump power, oil pressure gauge, and oil temperature gauge.
On to other adventures tomorrow. My list grows shorter.
Your not making me look forward to doing this in my car this week. How long did it take you?
Larmo63
Aug 27 2017, 06:44 PM
Larmo63
Aug 28 2017, 10:57 PM
I'm waiting on our carb guy to get my stuff back.
The wait is killing me.
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porschetub
Aug 28 2017, 11:38 PM
If your fuel pressure is right,and the carbs setup on a basic bench setup,it will run...turn the bloody key ok
.
Get those vw beetle style tail pipes sorted too when your carb parts have been sorted ok
.
Larmo63
Aug 29 2017, 07:11 PM
GT banana style muffler..........
914_7T3
Aug 29 2017, 07:31 PM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 29 2017, 06:11 PM)
GT banana style muffler..........
Mine Too!
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porschetub
Aug 29 2017, 09:59 PM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 30 2017, 01:11 PM)
GT banana style muffler..........
Was joking no offence ok?
.
Larmo63
Aug 29 2017, 10:03 PM
The only offense is if it doesn't sound great!!!!
Larmo63
Aug 29 2017, 10:53 PM
Fuel lines hooked to fuel regulator up this afternoon. I'm this close. If I can get our carb guy to respond, I think we will start it by the weekend. He has a few crucial parts of mine that I need to get from him. I may have depended and trusted that I would get these parts back sooner. I don't want to say too much, but his communication skills are.....never mind.
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Blue6
Aug 29 2017, 11:02 PM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 29 2017, 06:11 PM)
GT banana style muffler..........
I removed mine for a triad. It was just toooo quiet...
'73-914kid
Aug 29 2017, 11:28 PM
Lawrence, what kind of carb parts are you missing? I have a decent collection of 3BBL IDA parts in a box at home. might help you get the ball rolling quicker.
914_teener
Aug 29 2017, 11:40 PM
QUOTE(Blue6 @ Aug 29 2017, 10:02 PM)
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 29 2017, 06:11 PM)
GT banana style muffler..........
I removed mine for a triad. It was just toooo quiet...
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