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AZBanks
I like the idea of more radius on the back edge. Make it mimic the back edge of the hood.
Great work as always.
ChrisFoley
I like the first (top) one better.
preach
Tygaboy is not only a fantastic fabricator, but he has folk obsessing about his hose!
tygaboy
I cranked out a set of radiator hose clamps for Dwayne @djway .
Typical me; given these were the 9th - 16th time I've made these, they turned out better than the set on my car! laugh.gif
tygaboy
One of the joys of my build is when I start in on another area and realize, "Oh yeah. I totally forgot I'd have to figure something out to deal with this..." blink.gif

Today it was the engine lid. Having cut away all the trunk sheet metal, I also lost the area where the engine lid latch goes.
I was tempted to fab a bracket that welded to the cross bar between the suspension towers but REALLY didn't want some wonky thing hanging out in space and, heaven forbid, spoiling the view of the induction system.

So... How about a Quik Latch on each side?

I have a few lids so I went ahead and gave it go. Location-wise, the cool thing is that all I need to do is add a suitable bracket for the attachment bolts on them there support bars, it should work just fine. And I'll run just one, or neither, of the lid springs so the latch location in the middle of the lid won't be an issue.

I'll likely add them to a GT lid and given everything will be black, these will all but disappear. Should be pretty tidy, IMHO.
tygaboy
Cardboard template, measure and draw it up in CAD, CAD to plasma, plasma to part.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This table makes it feel like I'm cheating.
tygaboy
Fold it up and see if it fits... Yep, that'll work! On to the other side.

And a test of these just holding the bracket in place suggests I'll need at least one of the lid springs. I'll tack them in and test tomorrow.

And, if I decided I needed the added security, I can replace these Quick Latch models with a locking version.
914forme
Glad to see you have a previous owner repair I have run into this on several cars.

Click to view attachment

Now for some sort of fancy solution, J-west makes a pretty nice replacement. I am sure you can fabricate a much better backer plate than a couple fender washers and nuts.
914forme
And yes the Quick-Latch is a great solution, I was planning on using them on my defunded build for the exact same part.
tygaboy
QUOTE(914forme @ Apr 16 2020, 05:51 PM) *

Glad to see you have a previous owner repair I have run into this on several cars.

Now for some sort of fancy solution, J-west makes a pretty nice replacement. I am sure you can fabricate a much better backer plate than a couple fender washers and nuts.


@914forme - Stephen -
Remember, I have that fancy reverse, flip open trunk hinge set up. I plan on completely removing the stock hinges and mounting brackets. I just haven't gotten to doing that yet.
Dion
The engine lid latches look cool, but I’m trying to understand how they function.
Is it totally manual? Or is there a piece that I’m not seeing that flips the lid up?
djway
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 16 2020, 01:49 PM) *

I cranked out a set of radiator hose clamps for Dwayne @djway .
Typical me; given these were the 9th - 16th time I've made these, they turned out better than the set on my car! laugh.gif

The djway abides shades.gif

On the engine cover I am going to use a single small gas strut. You can probably find a nice hidden spot and I am sure you can make a nice bracket.

Send me the early versions of the hosers, it’s all better than what I could ever com close to.

Thanks and Peace ✌️
Rand
Dammit Chris, it's always rabbit holes. Do I put a strut on the engine lid, or do I just make a lift off? (hint, the latter is fine)
Get this thing driving! Aargh. Can I come help with gruntwork? I want to see this thing drive before I die.
tygaboy
QUOTE(Dion @ Apr 16 2020, 07:43 PM) *

The engine lid latches look cool, but I’m trying to understand how they function.
Is it totally manual? Or is there a piece that I’m not seeing that flips the lid up?


Hi @Dion - They're just latches. The regular spring set up will lift the lid. It is the case that I'll have to go to both sides of the car to open each one so that's not ideal.
I'll tack the brackets in and test it out before committing but assuming it works, this is what I'll run.
tygaboy
It took me two attempts but I got the brackets tacked in. The issue is that I didn't have every fastener cinched down enough and I ended up with enough misalignment that the latches didn't want to release without what I felt was too much force. I popped off the tacks and gave it another go. Par for my course... shades.gif

You can see in the video that it does take a bit of effort, which I think is fine. Better that than popping open on their own!

So there you go, @Dion . happy11.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C48So7ukcC8
tygaboy
QUOTE(Rand @ Apr 16 2020, 08:42 PM) *

Dammit Chris, it's always rabbit holes. Do I put a strut on the engine lid, or do I just make a lift off? (hint, the latter is fine)
Get this thing driving! Aargh. Can I come help with gruntwork? I want to see this thing drive before I die.


@Rand - It's true that some of what I'm up to could wait 'til after its running but I really do need to have an engine and trunk lid.
A major factor is that I REALLY want to do all the chassis stuff while it's on the rotisserie and I can far more easily get to the tricky places. The goal is that once it's off, it'll never go back on.
Plus, if you saw some of the stuff I have sitting in the shop, nearly ready for "Version 2" of this build, you'd be proud of me for not heading down those rabbit holes! shades.gif
djway
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 17 2020, 02:55 PM) *

It took me two attempts but I got the brackets tacked in. The issue is that I didn't have every fastener cinched down enough and I ended up with enough misalignment that the latches didn't want to release without what I felt was too much force. I popped off the tacks and gave it another go. Par for my course... shades.gif

You can see in the video that it does take a bit of effort, which I think is fine. Better that than popping open on their own!

So there you go, @Dion . happy11.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C48So7ukcC8


Those are sweet, never seen them before.
Is the brand name Quick Latch?
Mueller
Nice quick video.

Might have to look into those as I too have lost the ability to use the factory hold down.
914forme
@Mueller . PM me your address, I have one I will send your way. Really should only need one of them.
tygaboy
QUOTE(914forme @ Apr 17 2020, 03:48 PM) *

@Mueller . PM me your address, I have one I will send your way. Really should only need one of them.


@914forme Stephen - If you can mount a single latch inboard as far as the stock latch sits, I'd agree one would do it. In my application (wanting nothing hanging out in that space) I absolutely have to have one on each side.

Note they are available in different sizes, too. I went with the middle sized (model 38).
Dion
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 17 2020, 01:55 PM) *

It took me two attempts but I got the brackets tacked in. The issue is that I didn't have every fastener cinched down enough and I ended up with enough misalignment that the latches didn't want to release without what I felt was too much force. I popped off the tacks and gave it another go. Par for my course... shades.gif

You can see in the video that it does take a bit of effort, which I think is fine. Better that than popping open on their own!

So there you go, @Dion . happy11.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C48So7ukcC8




Inteso,Fantastico! aktion035.gif
djway
Chris, will you be including heat and a/c?
If so what are your plans?
tygaboy
I made the formal decision to get this thing running and dialed in, then blow it apart for paint.
I dubbed today "Juxtaposition - Old Meets New" as I installed parts that I had done and waiting for like 3+ years. Old car, tired paint and all the new, shiny suspension porn!

Boy, what a difference working with clean, new stuff that bolts on without having to fab anything...

Anyway, here's the refurb'd front end with Turbo tie rods, Elephant spherical, misalignment bearings and bladed sway bar. I have to say, their stuff is beautiful.
And the triangular mill work goes nicely with the theme of the car.
Cairo94507
Man that's some pretty stuff...... It's going to be on wheels very soon. beerchug.gif
tygaboy
Here's a shot that shows the "blade" of the Elephant Quick Change bladed sway bar. The overall bar stiffness is easily and "quickly" adjusted by loosening the bolt on the rear face and rotating the blade. Horizontal is soft, vertical is firm. It's infinitely adjustable through that 90 degree range.
Note this is the "medium stiff" bar (.095 wall tube) vs their "heavy stiff (.120 wall).
tygaboy
And my favorite part! It's a really nice piece... wub.gif
Rand
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 17 2020, 02:05 PM) *

QUOTE(Rand @ Apr 16 2020, 08:42 PM) *

Dammit Chris, it's always rabbit holes. Do I put a strut on the engine lid, or do I just make a lift off? (hint, the latter is fine)
Get this thing driving! Aargh. Can I come help with gruntwork? I want to see this thing drive before I die.


@Rand - It's true that some of what I'm up to could wait 'til after its running but I really do need to have an engine and trunk lid.
A major factor is that I REALLY want to do all the chassis stuff while it's on the rotisserie and I can far more easily get to the tricky places. The goal is that once it's off, it'll never go back on.
Plus, if you saw some of the stuff I have sitting in the shop, nearly ready for "Version 2" of this build, you'd be proud of me for not heading down those rabbit holes! shades.gif


Already proud of you bro. Just gotta give you a hard time once in a while...Anxious to see it. smile.gif beerchug.gif
Robarabian
QUOTE(djway @ Apr 14 2020, 11:55 PM) *

Hey Tygaboy I was thinking about your car today and the radiator hoses under the car and an image of some modern car undercarriages crossed my mind. Many of the high speed cruisers have a completely smooth undercarriage for aero and noise reduction. It occured to me if you run the hoses in the middle recess you could then fabricate a cover that runs the length. I am sure it would reduce drag and give you another 1/10th mph on the top end rolleyes.gif



Yes, mine run through the center tunnel. Cant see anything from under the car. It is trick. Will take a photo if interested.
Robarabian
In case you are interested. My car has the cooling lines running through a custom cut center compartment. Here is a photo.Click to view attachment
djway
QUOTE(Robarabian @ Apr 20 2020, 09:31 PM) *

In case you are interested. My car has the cooling lines running through a custom cut center compartment. Here is a photo.Click to view attachment

That is what I was thinking of. It’s supposed to reduce drag.
tygaboy
Elephant Racing QuickChange camber plates.
tygaboy
Raised spindles with the Elephant bump steer kit.
Getting there!

This is all in-process of being installed so yes, lots of loose fasteners and missing items.

BTW, the Elephant camber plates don't allow for the use of the standard metal dust protectors, hence the rubber gator.
tygaboy
@Robarabian @djway Yep, the "in the tunnel" routing is very tidy. As I've said, I have no room to accommodate routing in my tunnel and will be going with the "traditional" under body approach.
djway
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 21 2020, 11:20 AM) *

Raised spindles with the Elephant bump steer kit.
Getting there!

This is all in-process of being installed so yes, lots of loose fasteners and missing items.

BTW, the Elephant camber plates don't allow for the use of the standard metal dust protectors, hence the rubber gator.

This looks cool. How low will the car sit with that? Can you explain what came in the kit in what was required to achieve this?
mbseto
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 20 2020, 07:14 PM) *

Here's a shot that shows the "blade" of the Elephant Quick Change bladed sway bar. The overall bar stiffness is easily and "quickly" adjusted by loosening the bolt on the rear face and rotating the blade. Horizontal is soft, vertical is firm. It's infinitely adjustable through that 90 degree range.
Note this is the "medium stiff" bar (.095 wall tube) vs their "heavy stiff (.120 wall).


That's some clever engineering...
tygaboy
QUOTE(djway @ Apr 21 2020, 12:40 PM) *

QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 21 2020, 11:20 AM) *

Raised spindles with the Elephant bump steer kit.
Getting there!

This is all in-process of being installed so yes, lots of loose fasteners and missing items.

BTW, the Elephant camber plates don't allow for the use of the standard metal dust protectors, hence the rubber gator.

This looks cool. How low will the car sit with that? Can you explain what came in the kit in what was required to achieve this?


@djway - It's less a question of how low it'll sit vs, once lowered to the desired height, I don't lose as much suspension travel or compromise the geometry. It's the same concept as the Tangerine raised rear suspension points I installed:
by raising the spindle, the car is lowered by that much with no/minimal changes to suspension geometry and travel. These were raised 16 mm so nothing radical. I could still run 15" wheels.
tygaboy
I couldn't resist a quick mock up!
These are standard Boxster calipers, not Boxster S. They work for Tony @Cracker and his LS 914 and he sees nearly 170 at Road Atlanta...
tygaboy
And with the Ronal! 16X8 with 225s.
I love how these wheels look on this car!

Pardon my hillbilly attempt at simulating ride height. lol-2.gif
djway
I feel the most strange tingle rolleyes.gif
Beautiful
AZBanks
Forget paint. Run it as-is. The most super engineered rat rod on earth.
Andyrew
Killer stuff Chris!!!

That is an interesting sway bar!

I love those wheels as well! They look great with the 914s body lines.
tygaboy
A quick demo of the level of friction (or lack thereof!) with the Elephant Racing goodies.
And I'm right handed! laugh.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2MOf52HIJg


But seriously, the suspension moves so smoothly. It's like it's floating in some sort of wonderful fluid. I can't wait to see how it feels on the road.
FL000
QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 20 2020, 04:10 PM) *

I made the formal decision to get this thing running and dialed in, then blow it apart for paint.


With all the amazing work you have done on this car I can't imagine you are going to hand it off to someone else to paint. Are you going to paint it yourself?!

Note - I can honestly say I have read all 120+ pages of this thread but I didn't go back and do a search before asking this. biggrin.gif
tygaboy
QUOTE(FL 000 @ Apr 22 2020, 05:07 PM) *

QUOTE(tygaboy @ Apr 20 2020, 04:10 PM) *

I made the formal decision to get this thing running and dialed in, then blow it apart for paint.


With all the amazing work you have done on this car I can't imagine you are going to hand it off to someone else to paint. Are you going to paint it yourself?!

Note - I can honestly say I have read all 120+ pages of this thread but I didn't go back and do a search before asking this. biggrin.gif


No, I'm having a local shop paint it. They did my buddy's Speedster - beautiful work. And they will work to a budget so I can essentially spec how crazy I want them to go.
We'll see how I feel after I've driven it.
914forme
Agreed with the elephant stuff makes a super smooth suspension. Mine was so free that it caused issues with assembly. I had to use legs, hands, and jacks to get stuff done. No binding is super nice, glad to see they have keep it up.
djway
Anything new?
Having withdrawal symptoms here wink.gif
tygaboy
For those who may have noticed I had yet to final weld any of the roof structure to the car:

After looking at it and thinking about it for a couple weeks, I decided that a fixed roof doesn't make sense for this build. IMO, if I had done a regular full cage, then yes. But with no traditional front or rear hoop structure, or shoulder-ish cross bar, the idea of a fixed roof clashed with the "roadster cage" set up I currently have. I thought about ripping out what's there now and doing a full cage but that'd be going backwards a LONG ways. So no.

Perhaps on the next one...

Anyone want a "removable" hard top? lol-2.gif


Krieger
huh.gif Well, I think it's now safe to say this. Was anyone else reminded of the General Lee when it was installed? lol-2.gif lol-2.gif

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tygaboy
QUOTE(Krieger @ Apr 26 2020, 08:39 AM) *

huh.gif Well, I think it's now safe to say this. Was anyone else reminded of the General Lee when it was installed? lol-2.gif lol-2.gif

Click to view attachment


@Krieger Andy, that is sooo funny! I wasn't going to say anything but as soon as I punched the holes in it I thought, "Hmmm, that seems a little Confederate!"
tygaboy
Now for the "repairs" to get it back to accept the standard seal. I need to patch in where I notched it for the side rails.

Here's the before on the passenger side and the after on the driver's.
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